Why does everyone assume that the British sailors are telling the truth?

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Not with regards to whether they were in Iranian waters or not, but with their treatment.

I mean, lets say you folded like a pack of cards (like they did), surely upon your arrival back in the UK you may be tempted to 'embellish' the things you had to endure to make it sound more reasonable about the sort of torture you went through before you 'sang like a canary'

Im not saying they didnt go through some bad stuff, but it was hardly hanging by your fingernails stuff, and when you consider that you know any trauma they went through they would have 'added to it'. it doesnt exactly sound like they had been the bravest of sailors.

And to top it off the female of the group is going to be over £100,000 richer. Nice little earner for her isnt it.

Well done lady. We need more 'brave' people like you.

Honestly these sailors make me sick, and thank god I cant get thumbs down on this question, because I know lots of you would be defending them even though they didnt show an ounce of bravery

Neil - Thanks for that, hows your membership of the debating club going? With gems like that you should be a shoo in.

To those who say you have no reason to doubt them, then why do you doubt Iran's word? Why are our sailors (who only have a HUGE financial incentive to lie or exaggerate) word more reliable than that of Irans?

Arrgghhh - People! Im not saying I believe the Iranians either. But what Im saying is that Im not foolish enough to just believe the sailors because they are British. Propaganda doesnt just belong to the enemy you know!

OK - To those who say why dont you go out and fight and see how brave I am. The MAJOR difference is I know I probably would fold, therefore I DONT join the armed services, because its only supposed to be brave men and women who do. Do you think these 15 fall into that category? Please attempt to address the issue instead of deflecting the situation onto me. If you dont have an argument to what Im saying, then dont say anything.

Answer 1

Why do you believe the Iranians?

Answer 2

Because I assume an Allied Military Officer would tell the truth unless I am shown DIRECT evidence that they had lied.

Also as a SERE School graduate (1986) I understand the treatment that goes with capture.

The Officers showed QUITE abit of bravery, courage, and common-sense... not getting into a fire-fight (massacre) with a FAR better armed force. Cooperate and inform.

Regarding your comments of the behavior of the female sailor... I hope YOUR mother/sister/daughter is captured by such fine folks and gets a TASTE of what happens to females POW's

Answer 3

I try not to "assume" anything. I do try to find as much information about a subject that I can PRIOR to making an hard opinion.

The fact that the sailors and marines did come out so quickly to make statements that placated the Irainians is a possible indicator that some sort of harsh mental abuse may have happened. Then again, it could just be that they were scared out of their minds and were willing to fold quickly in te hope of being released.

Do I think Iran would lie? Of course! Do I think te brits would lie? Absolutely! Do I know who is telling the truth? Yep! None of them! Do I know what really happened? Not yet!

Answer 4

Britain has achieved its area. as some distance because of the fact the UN sanctions are worried Britain had an element in it besides. The ball is in Iran's courtroom now. Theres no recourse yet to work out what happens next. The 15 sailors incident grow to be incredibly unfourtunate. Its obtrusive fairly frankly...the place it is maximum perfect to; faster or later...Iran would be in touch in a conflict. Its undesirable electorate would be people who will take the whole brunt of the conflict...as in all wars. i think of Iran's president could desire to heavily think of of alternative the variety to enhance its status interior the international community. Iran suitable now does not choose a hardlined innovations-set to be certain the present subjects dealing with it. Taking " 2 steps" back could do wonders i think for this united states. yet will its administration and its president gain this? i think of no longer. Thats the sorrowful area of all this!

Answer 5

You are the sick one. You sound like one of my Black students when I explain slave conditions in the South. They all insist that they would have "punch them" and "not done what they were told to do" "fought back" and host of uninformed and childish remarks that somehow they are tougher and braver than those slaves who had to endure it. Generally, people who tend to pretend to be so much braver than those who went through a situation would pee their pants and cry for their mother. They are children. What's you excuse?

You have absolutely no idea what you would do in a similar situation when you a kept in solitary confinement, blindfolded, and had rifles triggers ****** near your ear. You don't know what you would do if you were faced with 7 years imprisonment in an Islamic country and told that your compatriots, assuming you have any, were gone and they left you behind, alone.

Someone like yourself, who has the audacity to criticize others' bravery, anonymously behind a computer screen is really the most cowardly of people.

Answer 6

Because unless someone has given me a reason to doubt them, I believe them? These are individuals. If some details change or some other reason to suspect them will arise, I may then suspect we did not hear the truth.
Be cool, might as well expect people to bash you rather than make their point. I mean, thats how a lot of people prove they are right, whoever is more insulting wins.
I understand you are suspicious because of the money involved for their stories, or sudden popularity. That happens with a lot of people outside the war though also. You have the right to suspect them. I just feel, more inclined to believe an ally over someone who takes positions contrary to mine.

Answer 7

I didn't see the name of DAVE S on the list of captured Sailors. Because you were home wanking while they did their jobs. How dare you come up with this garbage? I am in the US and I am totally against the war, but I still support the hero's who have been sent into harms way. You only have to worry about locking your bedroom door or a short in your computer.

Answer 8

Maybe it's simply a case of Iran's record toward us vs. Britain's record toward us.

Too many still recall the Iranian hostage crisis and the Ayatollah Khomeini's regime.


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Answer 9

I think it strange their story changed so MUCH, the reason the MOD has allowed them to sell their story alone, reeks of danger. Check out this video, dont they seem relaxed and happy after their release but BEFORE their debrief by the UK Military, notice in the second part of the Video the same guy is reading from a scripted card and looks VERY morose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHSD5AsAtNU

Answer 10

I heard an interview with British columnist Mark Steyn the other day. He made a very good point, namely that British marines / sailors are trained to "take it" as a condition to them reaching the esteemed title of royal marine or whatever it's called. He thought they folded way too early, the iranian savages got everything they wanted and it's probably just a matter of time before the savages take more hostages.

Answer 11

Because Iraninas usually lie.