Why not the trinity?

Question

In the Book of Genesis, which was written long before Jesus was born, God said, "Let us make man." I haven't studied languages, but I have been told by those who have, that the word "us" being plural was God speaking. Jews don't even believe in the trinity, but this is a historical document and hasn't been changed to support their believing "Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one."

If Muslims believe God is one (only), they must then believe they are separated from God because their idea of one includes only one person.

If God is more than one person (nothing is impossible with God), he can make anyone one with him no matter what the number, even everyone. That is a great God who can make one of all people.

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. I agree. I don't love my neighbor, but loving my neighbor is done in this world. His kingdom is a promise of a new earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness." To me that means no evil.

Answer 1

Well said.

Answer 2

You need to reread Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 up to verse 4, the first part of verse 4. Study the sequence of creation carefully and write it down. Now, starting with the second part of Genesis 2:4, start reading and carefully write the creation sequence down. Compare - they are not the same!

Another thing is not the same. One of the Creators is Yahweh and the other is Elohim. Most will tell you that there is no difference. Don't accept that at all. Elohim is plural and the line that you quoted, "let us man man" goes on to read "and woman in our own image." The plural Elohim would indicate that the words used would mean taht there is a female in the godhead. This problem arises again with the story of Noah, the Ten Commandments, and others of the "great stories of the first five books." Most people will tell you that the Ten Commandments are in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy, but then they don't take into consideration that Moses got mad, broke the tables, and then had to remake tablets and ascend the mount again. Therefore, read all of Exodus 20 completely through Exodus 34. Carefully write down the original ten, then write down the ten i Exodus 34 and compare them. Ain't quite teh same.

The concept of the Trinity is a product of the 4th century CE, or AD, whichever one you like to use. It is not Biblical and the only way to get any of the trinitarian concepts out of the Bible is to warp the meanings of certain verses.

The concept of ONE GOD is a by product of henotheism which is placing all of the roles into one, or less than what existed, god(s). The concept of the Trinity reverse that and now the godhead is tri-fold and the Catholics, with the deification of Mary have taken it a step further - a step that has no basis in the Bible.

Answer 3

The Us and The We represents the Elohim. (A council of God's) Look it up!! It had nothing to do with Jesus - That is a Christian Creation. Also look at the council of Nicene - The actual "trinity" does not exist in the bible - it mentions Jesus - God - and the Holy spirit many times in the bible but never does it say that "You should believe in a trinity" Constantine, Theadosus, Justinian, ect... decided that. The Original Eastern Orthodox Christian Church does not believe in a trinity either. That is why Arius was kicked out of the Conference of Nicea - because he could not get down with the 3 in one theory. He said they were turning Jesus into a creative character - Serapus - and that believing in 3 makes 1 is Egyptian. I believe in the concept of the trinity myself - - Man, Woman, Child ----- Mind, Body, Soul ------ Youth, Middle age, Old age ----- and all the other Triangles that the trinity represents. But when the west took over the religion - they had a problem with the woman so the replaced the woman with a holy ghost. 2 penises and a Ghost - (who many perceive as a male) What kind of triangle of "life" is that?????

Answer 4

I will answer only the Trinity part of your question...
I know that the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible..so knowing that there are really 3 in 1, seems to mean that there is
#1..God the Creator (being both male and female spirits, as Spiritual beings are not any particular sex)
#2. Jesus Christ, God's son, who was both physical, when He came to Earth, and is Spiritual, as created by God.
#3. The Holy Spirit, which is also referred to as the "Comfortor", and this Holy Spirit is not physical, it is a gift, given by God, to those who follow Christ. This gift encourages us stay with Christ, and choose good over evil, and gives us the Fruits of the Spirit, and many more areas of discernment. It is the "Unpardonable Sin" if we turn our backs on this gift, once we have been given it...It is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"...
So, these three are all part of the God being, are all mentioned in the Bible, but not referred to as the "Trinity"...
It probably doesn't matter what one wants to call it, but the important thing is that we recognize that all three, God the Creator, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit ( a Spirit is not physical, but exists) are all there for us.

Answer 5

Actually, you are wrong.

G-d cannot do anything that will go against His own very definition. So, for example, He cannot destroy Himself nor create another god. He cannot destroy Himself since that goes against the idea that G-d exists, will exist, and has always existed. He cannot make another god since that will go aganist the notion that there is only one of Him and that He has infinite pwoer (of which He wouldn't have if He shared existence with anohter like Him).

Thus, G-d cannot be a man and certianly cannot be everyone.

As to the Jews, if you read Genesis in the original Hebrew, you will notice that the verbs of G-d speaking "Let us make man" are all singular. The Jewish interpretation is that He was speaking to the angels. In light of what the Bible says elsewhere (namely that G-d is One as you helpfully point out), this is the only explanation that is consistent with the Old Testament.

Answer 6

The Doctrine of the trinity is probably the least understood doctrine of the Christian ideology. It might be better left to accept its apprehendable rather than its understandability.

However, from the standpoint of the eternal existence of God one must account for the existence of benevolence or love within the essence and presence of Diety before personality other than Himself existed. Love being an eternal virtue experienced both subjectively and declared objectively demands a plurality of personhood. This idea can only be met by the subjectivity of being by no less than two and declared objectively by no less than three in being. Therefore, While I may not understand the mechanics or specifics of how three can be one in essence and three in personhood, I can understand the idea of three being the same in purpose and will. The acceptance of the facts of God's ontological nature of a Trinity of being does not require that I fully understand it in an exhaustive sense. This does not mean that I am not able to see where its neccessary aspects within the scope of infinte existence exists as a demonstration of all the implications inherent in the characteristics of the virtue of eternal love of being.

Answer 7

Because Jesus did not preach Trinity and you cant find that word in the Bible.
Just think logically and objectively, if you are teaching or preaching something to people, wouldnt you be specific about the topic or subject matter of what you are teaching ?
If humans can be precise to that extent, then, what about God ?

Answer 8

The trinity takes away from God the fact He is the Most High.
It gives more to Christ than he is due.

Proverbs shows that Christ was created before all other things and was instrumental in creating all things. That is the simple explanation for the verse in Genesis you refer.

Answer 9

Why not? Because its nonsense. You can believe anything you want to believe - that doesn't mean that its true. Jesus wasn't worshipped AS God until about 300 years after his death. Read a history book - I suggest "The Golden Bough".

Answer 10

Jesus lived as God before He was born. He was part of the trinity. The Us God spoke of was the trinity.

Answer 11

There are only two in the God Head.
God the Father and God the Son.
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