is abortion a necessary immorality?

Question

considering the fact that this issue can never be decided to anyones satisfaction, especially the extremists, isn't it better to err on the side of the woman rather than legislate against her? and in thinking about this question, do not take the fetus into account for it has no ability to reflect on morality...

Answer 1

Yeah, it should definitely be up to the woman. Some women are so desperate that if we made it illegal they'd find other ways to abort, so I feel that it's safer to keep it legal. Plus I don't believe the government has the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body, but that's another story.

Answer 2

Just cause someone doesn't have the ability to reflect on morality doesn't mean you can forget morality when you're talking about them. The whole question of abortion centers around the fetus; there's no way you can leave it out.
Look, when you read your biology book in high school, you learned that the reproductive system is there to make new human beings. You can't go around using it and then treat the result as some sort of disease; and the result is a human. This is a duh thing. If you've ever been to a science building and seen an unborn deer preserved in a jar, it's obvious that you're looking at a deer, not some fetus of an unknown species that suddenly becomes a deer when it is born. Same thing with us.
If, under the constitution, all people have the right of life, you can't legislate for a woman and allow another human to die.

Answer 3

For Abel I would say: I don't give a damn what the bible, the torah, or the koran say about abortion. It is far too important an issue to try to glean value from ancient texts which don't address modern society or medicine.

Abortion is a moral choice regardless of how you'd like to paint it. The moral choice lies with the parents and is not one a government can make for them. If it is illegal it will be still be a choice, just a more dangerous and bloody one.

I wish there was never the need for another abortion in the world; but I also wish there was no more starvation or abused kids either. You don't have to be a genius to see the connections.

What the world needs is for children to be wanted, loved, and raised by capable parents. If you can do this, you can save the world. How does this happen? Surely not by outlawing abortion. Surely not by limiting contraceptives!

The churches with their high minded morality play put an all or nothing proposition on the table and society is the loser. Abstinence works for 10% of the world, the rest of us "sinners" need contraceptives, and on sad occasion abortions.

To limit either is to delay the creation of a world where all kids are born into bearable situations.

Answer 4

Err on the side of the woman? You mean support abortion?
I also fail to see what the fetus' sense of morality has to do with anything.Do you also support the killing of the mentally disabled because they don't have the ability to 'reflect on morality'? The fetus is as human as you are.It has the same right to live as you do.
Legislating against killing a baby is not legislating against the woman.It's our duty to protect the innocent,and frankly,when people support killing a baby,you know that the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Answer 5

I'm not sure that a 'necessary immorality' makes any sense. If you're weighing up between the undesirability of abortion and the undesirability of compelling a woman to have a baby that she does not want, then the decision you make *is* your moral judgment on the matter - i.e. what you take to be the morally right thing to do. That may well not be an *easy* decision but it makes no sense to say that you would choose the immoral option, IYSWIM.

Answer 6

First, children of a young age, infants, people who may be at an advanced age....many people may have no ability to reflect on morality.

I think siding with the women because of the reason you have mentioned to be wrong.

I do not want abortion banned, I simply don't agree with your reasoning.

Also, stating abortion is a woman's right doesn't say anything about its morality.

Answer 7

I don't agree. All human life is sacred.

Here is God's opinion: "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Jeremiah 1:5

God has a plan for everyone, I don't think anyone knows the true number of babies killed since Roe v Wade, I heard the number 33 million mentioned, but I will just say that I don't know if this correct. My point is we also don't know what our society has lost. Everyone is a unique creation and has a purpose, so please don't talk about a human fetus like it is a piece of meat.

Answer 8

The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this consistent witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church.

As the early Christian writer Tertullian pointed out, the law of Moses ordered strict penalties for causing an abortion. We read, "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [Hebrew: "so that her child comes out"], but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Ex. 21:22–24).

This applies the lex talionis or "law of retribution" to abortion. The lex talionis establishes the just punishment for an injury (eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life, compared to the much greater retributions that had been common before, such as life for eye, life for tooth, lives of the offender’s family for one life).

The lex talionis would already have been applied to a woman who was injured in a fight. The distinguishing point in this passage is that a pregnant woman is hurt "so that her child comes out"; the child is the focus of the lex talionis in this passage. Aborted babies must have justice, too.

This is because they, like older children, have souls, even though marred by original sin. David tells us, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5, NIV). Since sinfulness is a spiritual rather than a physical condition, David must have had a spiritual nature from the time of conception.

The same is shown in James 2:26, which tells us that "the body without the spirit is dead": The soul is the life-principle of the human body. Since from the time of conception the child’s body is alive (as shown by the fact it is growing), the child’s body must already have its spirit.

Thus, in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared that the Church’s teaching on abortion "is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his successors . . . I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church" (Evangelium Vitae 62).

The early Church Fathers agreed. Fortunately, abortion, like all sins, is forgivable; and forgiveness is as close as the nearest confessional.


The Didache



"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).

Peace and every blessing!

Answer 9

Isn't the disagreement basically about when human life begins? When you make that decision, and if you believe it is immoral to take human life, then it seems pretty simple to me.

Answer 10

The fetus has the ability to feel pain tho, after the 6th week of pregnancy! Can you imagine.....