discipline. how many of you agree?
2007-04-07 05:45:15 · 12 answers · asked by Beaujock 1 in Politics & Government ➔ Military
Disagree.
Why would you tinker with the training with a history like the following quotes indicate???
Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines.
Gen. John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918
Don't you forget that you're First Marines! Not all the communists in Hell can overrun you!
Col. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
rallying his First Marine Regiment near Chosin Reservoir, Korea, December 1950
"I can't say enough about the two Marine divisions. If I use words like brilliant, it would really be an under-description of the absolutely superb job they did in breaching the so-called impenetrable barrier. . .Absolutely superb operation, a textbook, and I think it'll be studied for many, many years to come as the way to do it." (General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 27 February 1991.)
"I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world." (General Douglas MacArthur, USA, outskirts of Seoul, 21 September 1950.)
"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning." (Colonel David M. Shoup, USMC, Tarawa, 21 November 1943.)
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a MARINE and his rifle!"
GEN. PERSHING, US.ARMY
"We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem!"
CHESTY PULLER, USMC
"The more MARINES I have around the better I like it!"
GEN. MARK CLARK, U.S. ARMY
"I want you boys to hurry up and whip these Germans so we can get out to the Pacific to kick the s**t out of the purple-pissing Japanese, before the Godda**ed MARINES get all the credit!" Lt General George Patton, US Army 1945
""The MARINES have landed and have the situation well in hand!"
RICHARD HARDING DAVIS
"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency: we are winning!"
COL. DAVID M. SHOUP, USMC
"I can never again see a UNITED STATES MARINE without experiencing a feeling of reverence."
GEN. JOHNSON, U.S. ARMY
"The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a MARINE CORPS for the next 500 years."
JAMES FORRESTAL, SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
"Come on, you sons of b*****! Do you want to live forever?"
GySgt. DANIEL DALY, USMC
"We're not retreating, Hell! We're just attacking in a different direction!"
GEN. OLIVER SMITH, USMC
"I have just returned from visiting the MARINES at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world!"
GEN. DOUGLAS MACARTHUR, U.S. ARMY
"Teufelhunde! (Devil Dogs)"
GERMAN SOLDIERS, WW1 at BELLEAU WOOD
"So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those b*****ds won't get away this time!"
CHESTY PULLER, USMC
"We have two companies of MARINES running all over this island and thousands of ARMY troops doing nothing!"
GEN. JOHN VESSEY, CHAIRMAN OF JOINT CHIEFS
"Retreat hell! We just got here!"
CAPT. LLOYD WILLIAMS, USMC
"The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of MARINES. LORD, how they could fight!"
MAJ. GEN. FRANK LOWE, U.S. ARMY
"Panic sweeps my men when they are facing the AMERICAN MARINES."
CAPTURED NORTH KOREAN MAJOR
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."
PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN, 1985
"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and those who have met them in battle. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion." Unknown
2007-04-07 05:50:51 · answer #1 · answered by SnowWebster2 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
You do get mentors in the USMC, they are called NCO's and PLT SGT's.
The problem is that there is no place for that type of relationship in bootcamp. They have a very short amount of time (13 weeks) to take an individual and fix what that persons parents f-cked up over the course of 18 years.
USMC bootcamp has to completely change the way a person thinks and approachs problems. No 13 weeks is not a long time to do that. The amount of self-discipline required to be a good Marine is huge. They have to instill that in bootcamp, not hold your hand and hope that you will finally listen to someone for once in your life. I am sure that most people remember being 18 years old, did you honestly listen to any adults at that age? I didnt honestly, it took someone jumping in my face and telling me who's who and what's what. Now that I am older I will actually listen to people because I am more mature. Sorry but 18 year olds are not like that, and we dont have time to find out if they are or arent.
The mentoring does come but it comes after you earn your title.
Plus USMC bootcamp seems to be working just fine.
2007-04-07 13:06:34 · answer #2 · answered by h h 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Your opinion does not matter. You washed out of training. Get over it.
The Corps has been producing some of the finest warriors in history effectively for two centuries. If anything, training errs on the side of excessive gentleness compared to the past. Fortunately, Marine Corps training degradation is nowhere near that of the Army.
Boot is not where you get cuddled and the Drill holds your wee wee for you while you pee pee. It's where you get the stupidity pounded out of you so you become a focused, disciplined warrior, in an incredibly short period of time. That takes the raw application of intimidation and force.
And it works. Success shouldn't be messed with. Ever.
2007-04-07 13:43:49 · answer #3 · answered by Nat 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Strongly disagree. Mentoring is a guiding and building up process that will take place later in the troop's career. Before that can start a recruit must have his misguided civilian way of thinking broken down to clear the way. Basic training needs to be harsh to set the recruits on the right path and to weed out the misfits.
2007-04-07 12:59:10 · answer #4 · answered by gunplumber_462 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Mentoring is for people and organizations with lot's of time on their hands. Plus, it can be done equally for men or women. None of this applies to the Marine Corps.
Drill Instructors have twelve weeks to make effective killers out of the gaggle of misfits they inherited just a few weeks earlier. For them to be effective in this short span of time, they must be no nonsense, get it right the first time, unforgiving and unyielding hunks of granite! The recruit learns this fast. He learns it faster when he fails to do it right and the DI is all over him like stink on shiit.
If the recruit is worth his salt, the DI needs do it one or two times. If on the other hand, Johnny boy is a habitual screw up, this DI will send him back to a later platoon for retraining. That's called mentoring in the Marine Corps.
2007-04-07 13:02:42 · answer #5 · answered by briang731/ bvincent 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Marine recruit training has worked for over 200 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If you want mentoring, join the Boy Scouts.
Semper Fi
Marine Corp veteran 1958-1962...and a Woman!!!!!!
FOR SNOWEBS: Great quotes! Dontcha just love Chesty Puller?
2007-04-07 13:19:56 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I went through Boot back in the fifties. Tough? Absolutely! However it wasn't so tough that a person couldn't take it unless he was just a hopeless mama's wimp. I have seen the training that the Air Force gives in their Basic. It is much like what you want to use. If I ever had to face an enemy in combat again, I would hope I had a fellow Marine beside me, not an unprepared Airman.
2007-04-07 13:02:24 · answer #7 · answered by mustanger 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
They are mentoring you, just in a different way. Do you really think being nice to recruits is going to be effective on the streets of Iraq?
2007-04-07 12:52:26 · answer #8 · answered by malinak 1 · 2⤊ 0⤋
No one, the Marines arent little kids on a baseball team; mentoring and having a coaching attitude wont make them what they need to be.
2007-04-07 12:53:23 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
It's worked for over two hundred years turning out the finest fighting men in the world, now you want mentors?
I don't think so!
2007-04-07 12:50:55 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋