a violation of revelation?

Question

After 325 AD many books that were studied by early christians were strickened from the holy texts, the final bible that you read today is but a fraction of what it used to be, and I might add that catholics have 2 more books than protestants. It was men, not god that tell you what to read today, so my question is did those Roman bishops violate revelation 22:19? And also did the book of morman violate revelation 22:18? This could be a very interesting debate here.

Answer 1

That's up to God to decide.

Protestants removed books from the Catholic Bible because they were not recongnized as being inspired by God.

Answer 2

runic: Up to 324 - 325 A.D. - the time of Emperor Constantine's reign over the Roman Empire, there existed many letters [epistles] floating around, claiming to be from the Christian churches in Asia and about. These letters were written to dupe the followers of Christ and penned by people called Gnostics. These letters were written very craftily with the intention of deceiving converts. The Apostle John in his letters or epistles to the Christian churches penned First, Second and Third John to combat these false epistles. The Apostle John was stating to the churches the various teachings from Jesus he witnessed, and how a Christian could be prevented from becoming sucked-in by the false letters of the crafty Gnostics of his time. This is how a true and genuinely converted Christian TODAY (2007) can know whether or not, he or she has a copy of the initial epistles, collectively binded into a book called the Holy Bible. The Holy Spirit inspired the initial and original Greek manuscripts to which its authors scribed the contents therein. Yes; people past, present and future will attempt to change the writings or even, add their own, but the Holy Spirit will supply the genuine Christian with the ability to discern fact from fiction therein - barring any man-made attempt to form their own Bible.

Answer 3

Catholics and Protestant have the same books in the New Testatment. There are 7 books in the Catholic Bible that were not accepted by Protestant. They are called Apocryphya, a word that means doubtful, not false. The reason for the exclusion is there are no Hebrew text extant.
At the time of Christ there were Greek and Hebrew speaking Jews. Some books did not have a Hebrew manuscript.

Answer 4

Actually the Catholics have 8 more books then the Protestants. And still most of the books that were left out are readily available, just not part of the canon.

It could be said those verses from revelation (which almost wasn;t in the bible only made the cut because they thought it was written by John the beloved Apostle (they were wrong)) were just referring to the book of revelation.

Answer 5

It would be an interesting debate, if you had gotten your facts straight.

The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church that was founded, authorized, empowered, and guaranteed by Christ.

The Catholic Church compiled the old testament canon, wrote all the authentic new testament gospels, letters, and books (including Revelation) and it has the sole God-given authority to do those things, even today.

It was those who came much later who tampered with and modified the authentic scriptures, for their own nefarious purposes.

It wasn't the Catholic Church.

Your count of the Bible books is also way off the mark.

Here's the rest of the story:

Before any written texts, there were oral teachings (of One God)

The Pentateuch ("The Law"), is the first 5 books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy). First written by Moses (inspired by God) c.1,300 B.C. to c. 454 or 100 B.C.

OLD TESTAMENT: 46 completed books c. 100 B.C.(note: 46 books, NOT only 39 as is in the Protestant versions)

THE SEPTUAGINT: (the sole and official canon of the Catholic O.T.) c. 280 or 250 B.C. to 100 B.C.

Under Pharaoh of Egypt: Ptolemy Philedelphus commissioned 70 Jewish Scholars (Scribes) to translate into the vernacular (common language spoken at the time): GREEK This is the Greek translation that Jesus and His Apostles (and Jews at the time) used, and quoted from as well.

(After the dispersions of the Jews, they began to lose their Hebrew tongue, and Greek, which was the universal language at the time, became their spoken tongue.)

After the death of Jesus, and many of His Apostles, c. 100 A.D., in the village of Jamnia (in ancient Israel -see "Jabneh") the Sadducees (enemies of Christ and non-believers in the resurrection, life-afer-death, and angels...) assembled a completely new version of Jewish scripture, omitting some books entirely and rewriting others.

The result is the JAMNIAN CANON, or, the PALESTINIAN TALMUD.

(There is also another version known as the BABYLONIAN TALMUD.)In Acts 5: 17-19, it states that the Sadducees were particularly zealous enemies of Christianity.

One of them for instance (Aquila) removed the word PARTHENOS (virgin), from Isaiah 7:14, and rendered it NEANIS (a young woman)shall conceive. That way they could assert that the prophecy didn't match what the Christians were teaching.

An interesting note: Since the deviation from the True Old Testament, Judaism has splintered into many different sects. (Sounds familiar as has happened to Protestants, there are currently 33,000 different Protestant sects with more new ones being established each year.)

During the Reformation, the Protestants rejected the Catholic Bible and adopted the (altered) Hebrew Bible, that does not have the complete 46 Books and verses.

This is why the Protestant's "Old Testament" part of their Bible has only 39 Books, and incomplete passages/verses in parts.

Thus, the (altered) Hebrew Bible is what the Jews today use, and the Church has the TRUE, complete, Old Testament. So we see that the two differ.

The Prostestants have the Hebrew Old Testament as part of their Bible, and the Catholic New Testament. So we see that before the Reformation the True Church has always kept intact the True Scriptures - Old and New.

And after the Reformation, after using the Bible for over 1500 years, man altered the Bible, by adopting the altered Hebrew Bible, and through Martin Luther, even added words to the Bible!

Praise the Lord our God, through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, that as Jesus promised, He guided His Church, to make sure that the true Bible was kept intact, and His teachings unchanged in His True Church.

Because non-Catholics do not have the fullness of Truth or the fullness of the WHOLE Bible, they do not understand all the teachings of the Apostles or have that unbroken link from the Apostles.

Because of the altered Prostestant bible, they have come up with many "new" and contradictory theories and dogmas, even among themselves.

That is not to say that they do not have some truths, for those that believe in the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus as Savior and the Way, and are Baptized as Christ instructed by using water "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit", are Christians.

They are just the separated brothers and sisters of R. C. Christians.

Remember, Christ founded and established ONE Church, and promised to guide THAT Church throughout the Ages, in all fullness of truth. He did not establish and found thousands and thousands of churches.

He left us a visible voice on earth, the vicar of Christ, who upholds all of Christ's and His Apostles teachings.

Just as in the Old Testament the High Priest was the one who spoke God's words to the people and taught them, and made the decisions with God's blessings, so too has Christ continued this God-made tradition by giving us a "high" priest (Bishop)on earth - the Pope (which means papa--father).

In Matt. 23:1-3, "Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying, 'The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but do not practice."


We see that even Jesus upheld the teachings just as we are to do today with the teachings of His Church - the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

By the way, the term "Roman Catholic" is a name given by non-catholics during the Reformation, -- it is really called the Church. But the name is used (R.C.) to distinguish it from all the other churches in the world today.

Before the Reformation, it was only known as the Church - a universal (which is what "catholic" really means) Church for all men who want to know Christ and be Christian.

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Answer 6

Those "Roman bishops" you speak of did not do anything other than ratify what the church by its practice had already decided was inspired.

Answer 7

Could Be