Jesus is not the Messiah 2: How can Jesus be the Messiah if there's no blood relation to David?

Question

Acts says the Messiah will be physically related to David, but Joseph's seed was not used in Jesus' conception so this prophecy is false.

"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne" (Acts 2:30)

Answer 1

See....Jesus WAS the son of an invisible sky fairy who knocked up a virgin......but he magically had Joseph's Y chromosome.

Answer 2

Jesus was a blood relative of David through His mother, Mary. Mary's genealogy is found in Luke 3. Because the reference to Joseph will certainly confuse you, please read this, which explains it all:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/5_6/genealogy

EDIT: "Quantrill," please read the article that I've given a link to. It should answer your concerns. In part, it reads:

"First, many rabbinic objections to the messiahship of Jesus are based on his genealogy. The argument goes, "Since Jesus was not a descendant of David through his father, he cannot be Messiah and King." But the Messiah was supposed to be different. As early as Genesis 3:15, it was proposed that the Messiah would be reckoned after the "seed of the woman," although this went contrary to the biblical norm. The necessity for this exception to the rule became apparent when Isaiah 7:14 prophesied that the Messiah would be born of a virgin: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel." Whereas all others receive their humanity from both father and mother, the Messiah would receive his humanity entirely from his mother. Whereas Jewish nationality and tribal identity were normally determined by the father, with the Messiah it would be different. Since he was to have no human father, his nationality and his tribal identity would come entirely from his mother. True, this is contrary to the norm, but so is a virgin birth. With the Messiah, things would be different."

One final thought: if a woman's genetic contribution doesn't matter, then why do you acknowledge "Jewishness" is passed down through the mother?

Answer 3

Is this really how you're going to make your claim?

The old testament says that the Messiah would be conceived by the Holy Spirit, right?

So if you believe that, your argument is not valid first of all.

Second, the scripture says... ACCORDING TO THE FLESH... not the blood!!!

Joseph was Jesus' earthly father... by flesh... not blood!

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Answer 4

Scripture states out of the house of David, is does not say from the seed (loin) of David, this was said by Him who betrayed Jesus,

Answer 5

Matthew 1: 16-
And Yaakov (Jacob) begat Yoseph, (Joeseph). This Yoseph was the "gowra"-guardian of Miryam, from whom was born Yahshua, who is called the Moshiach. (Messiah).
(The Aramaic term "gowra" is mistranslated as "husband" in all Greek manuscripts. Gowra in proper context is a Guardian, or legal guardian, or legal caretaker, as seen in the Torah in Deuteronomy 25:5-6.)
This Joeseph in verse 16 took Mry's deceased father's place and became her gowra. This mention of Yoseph (Joeseph) in V.16 was Mary's legal guardian.

In verse 19, the Aramaic/Hebrew word is "baalah" that can only mean husband. The Aramaic Peshitta clearly uses the two different words (gowra and baalah) to show that one Joeseph (in Verse 16) was Mary's legal guardian, whereas the other Joeseph (in verse 19) was Mary's husband. Therefore the geneology is clearly Mary's geneology and not Joeseph's. In order to be the Moshiach (Messiah), Yahshuah (Jesus) had to Inherit The Throne From Solomon -
( Not Nathan as some teach. Nathan never sat on the throne)


"ACCORDING TO THE FLESH" means "ONE OF HIS DESCENDANTS"

Acts 2:30 - And so because he was a prophet, and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT ONE OF HIS DESCENDANTS UPON HIS THRONE. (Hebrew Greek Key Study Bible)

(At first the prophet Nathan gave David approval to construct a temple, but the following night God intervened. Speaking to Nathan in a dream God laid out for David an amazing covenant whose promises continue to this present day. God committed himself to establishing the house of David forever, to a specific land and people (Israel), and to a temple (see 2 Samuel 7). Messiah, in fact, would be one of David's sons. )

(David, a man of war, was not, however, to build the First Temple. That task was given to his son Solomon, although David drew up the plans.

The fact that other nations had temples and Israel did not is not the reason The First Temple was to be built. The Temple was to be a memorial to Israel to turn her heart away from the idols of the surrounding nations. The Temple would provide them for an incentive not to practice the same evil things as the Canaanites.)

Matthew 1:17 -- So all the generations from Avraham (Abraham) to Dawid (David) are fourteen generations; and from Dawid until the carrying away into Bavel (Babylon) are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Bavel to the Moshiach are fourteen gnerations.

The gematria, or numerical value of David in Hebrew is 14. The three sets of 14 indicate that Yahshua is from the royal house of David.

Answer 6

Judah was the line from which Jesus was brought. That is, the fleshly part of Jesus. So, Judah through David, through Mary.

Mary was a descendant of Judah.

Answer 7

just to add some information here -- the tribal connection is established through the male line and, as the text says, the scepter stays within the TRIBE of Judah (Davidic house) thus this must be through Joseph, not Mary.

In addition, the lineages given in the gospel text are invalid for a couple of other reasons, unless one chooses to adopt the talmudic explanations which would then require adopting the talmud as an authoritative information source which would invalidate jesus' claims in other ways.

Answer 8

Jesus Picked up the Davinical blood line from Mary

Answer 9

This is true. Evidently he was a product of imagination, hence no father, hence no Davidic blood line.

Remember people, blood lines couldn't pass through the mother. Besides, Mary wasn't a descendant of David.

Silly people.

Answer 10

Do a little more research. Mary his mother was also in the bloodline of David.

Answer 11

Mary was also David's descendant. She gave Him the genetics from David.