If Jesus was the real Messiah, where did he come from?

Question

If Jesus was the real Messiah of Jewish prophecy, if he truly was the fulfilment of ancient prophecy, then by definition and Jewish law he MUST have had to be of the bloodline of the House of David, the ancient Kings of Israel. There are no ifs or buts about it.

So this means, Jesus had to have flowing in his veins the blood of the last legitimate King of Israle, Zedekiah, who was murdered along with his entire family, except one (Princess Tamar Tephi) around 595-593 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar.

It is recorded that Jeremiah took Princess Tamar, the standard (the Jerusalem Lion/Lion of Judah), the harp of David and the Stone of Destiny, the scone stone to Ireland for safe keeping by at least 585-589 BCE. Jeremiah died in Ireland and his ancient tomb still exists.

So where did the ancestors of Jesus actually come from after 580BCE to 6CE? Given we still have the stone of destiny, the lion of judah used by England, why doesn't the Vatican want to talk about Ireland?

Answer 1

Summary of 1st Advent Prophecies in the Old Testament

The Messiah's Lineage

1. From the Shemite branch of humanity: Gen 9:26/Luke 3:36
2. Through Abraham: Gen 12:3, Gen 18:18 and Gen 22:18 / Mat 1:1, Luke 3:34, Acts #:25 and Gal 3:16
3. Through Abraham's son Isaac: Gen 17:21 / Luke 3:34
4. Through Isaac's son Jacob: Gen 28:14 / Luke 3:34
5. Through the tribe of Judah: Gen 49:8 / Luke 3:33-34
6. Through the family of Jesse: Isa 11:1/Luke 3:32, Matt 1:6
7. Through the House of David: Jer 23:5 / Luke 3:31-31, Rom 1:3, John 7:42, Matt 1:6

Messiahs Birth and Childhood

8. Timing of the Birth: Gen 49:10 / Matt 2:1
9. Place of Birth Micah 5:2/Matt 2:1, Luke 2:1-7, John 7:42
10. Born in the Flesh: Isa 9:6/Luke 2:11
11. Born of a virgin: Isa 7:14 / Luke 1:34-35, Matt 1:18, Gal 4:4 and Rev 12:5
12. Divine Name: Isa 7:14 Matt 1:21
13. Presented with gifts at birth: Ps 72: 10-11/ Mat 2:1,11
14. Infants massacred: Jer 31:15/ Mat 2:16
15. Sojourn in Egypt: Hosea 11:1 / Matt 2:14-15
16. Reside in Nazareth: Isa 53:4 / Matt 2:23
17. Grow up in poverty: Isa 53:2 / Mark 6:3, Luke 9:58
18. Spirit filled and anointed from birth: Isa 11:1-2 / Luke 2:46-47

The Messiah's Life and Ministry

19. Preceded by a prophet who would prepare His way: Isa 40:3, Malachi 3:1 / Matt 3: 1-3
20. Receive a special anointing by the Spirit: Isa 42:1 / Luke 3:22
21. Do Battle with Satan: Gen 3:15 / Matt 4:1
22. Receive the ministry of Angels: Ps 91:1 / Matt 4:11
23. Ministry centered in Galilee: Isa 9:1 / Matt 4:13
24. Unpretentious ministry: Isa 42:2 / John 6:15
25. Power of ministry not based on personal appearance: Isa 53:2 / Matt 7:28-29
26. Preacher: Ps 40:9 / Matt 4:17
27. Teacher in parables: Ps 78:2, Isa 6:9 / Matt 13: 34-35
28. Prophet: Deut 18:15,18 / Matt 21:11
29. Judge: Is 33:22 / John 5:30, John 5:22 and John 8:16
30. Miracle Worker: Is 11:2 / John 3:2, John 2:11,23; John 11:47 and John 12:37
31. Man of Prayer: Ps 109:4 / Luke 18:1
32. A man whose reliance and trust is in God: Ps 22:9-10 / John 5:19
33. A man of obedience: Ps 40:8 / John 4:34
34. A man of wisdom, understanding and knowledge: Is 11:2 / Matt 13:54
35. A man of counsel: Is 11:2 / John 3: 1,4; John 4:11; Luke 12:13-21 and Luke 18:18-27
36. Humble in Spirit: Zech 9:9, Micah 5:2 / Phil 2:8; Matt 5:5; 11:29; 18:4 Mark 10:43-45
37. Patient: Ps 145:8 / 1 Tim 1:16; Matt 5:39-42; 2 Pet 3:9
38. Loving and Merciful: Ps 103:17 / John 15:13
39. Zeal for God's house in Jerusalem: Ps 69:9; Malachi 3:1-4/John 2:14-16;Mark 11:15-18
40. Proclaim a Jubilee: Is 61:1-2 / Luke 4:17,18,21
41. Preach the Gospel to the Poor: Is 61:1 / Matt 11:4-5; Matt 5, Matt 6 and Matt 7
42. Comfort the Broken Hearted: Is 61:1 / Matt 11:28; Matt 5:4, John 16:20
43. Proclaim the liberty to captives: Is 61:1 / Matt 8:16
44. Minister to broken lives: Is 42:3 / Luke 5: 30-31 Matt 9:10-13
45. Heal the Sick: IS 53:4-5 / Matt 8:16-17
46. Heal those with special afflictions: IS 35:5-6 / Matt 11:4-5
47. Hated without cause: Ps 69:4 / John 15:24-25
48. Despised and rejected by his own people: Ps 69:7-8, Ps 118:22, IS 49:7 and IS 53:3 / John 1:11, Matt 21:33-46, John 7:5,48
49. Rejected by the Jews because the would honor tradition more than God's Word: Is 29:13 / Mark 7:6,8
50. Praised by babes and infants: Ps 8:2 / Matt 21:15-16
51. Offered to the Gentiles: Is 49:6 / John 1:12, Acts 10 and Rom 1:16
52. Accepted by the Gentiles Hos 2:23 / Acts 28:28

The Messiah's Nature

53. Eternal Nature: Micah 5:2 / John 1:1,14; Col 1:17, Heb 1:2,8; Rev 22:13
54. Divine: Is 9:6, Is 7:14 / John 10:30
55. Human: Ps 8:5 / John 1:14
56. Son of God: Ps 2:7 / Matt 3:17
57. Son of Man: Dan 7:13 / Matt 8:20, Mark 2:10, Luke 12:10 John 6:27
58. Messiah , the Anointed One, the Christ: Ps 2:2 Ps 45:7 / Luke 2:10-11; Acts 2:36
59. Lord: Ps 110:1 / John 13:13
60. God Centered: Is 11:2-3 / John 17: 4,6
61. Holy: Is 5:16 / John 6:69
62. Righteous: Is 53:11, PS 45:7 / Acts 7:52
63. Faithful and True Witness: Ps 89:1-2 / Rev 3:14
64. Servant of God: Is 42:1 / Phil 2:6-7
65. A loving Shepherd: Ps 23:1 / John 10:11
66. A sacrificial lamb: Is 53:7 / John 1:29
67. Sin Bearer: Is 53:4-6 / 1 Pet 2:24
68. A guilt offering: IS 53:10 / Heb 9:13-14
69. Embodiment of God's Redemptive Covenant: Is 42:6 / Luke 22:20

The Messiah's Death

70. Timing of Death: Dan 9:25-26 / Jesus died 483 years after the edict is issued to rebuild Jerusalem. The edict was issued in 445 BC by Artaxerxes. 483 years later, Jesus began his ministry leading to his being crucified (cut off)
71. Entry into Jerusalem on a Donkey: Zech 9:9 / John 12:12-15
72. Experience profound grief and agony: Is 53:3,11 , Ps 55:12-14 / Matt 26:37-38
73. Betrayal by a friend who would eat with Him: Ps 41:9 / Matt 26: 20-21
74. Betrayal for 30 pieces of silver: Zech 11:12 / Matt 26:14-15
75. Disposition of the Betrayal money: Zech 11:13 / Matt 27:3, 5-7
76. Forsaken by his disciples: Zech 13:7 / Matt 26:55-56
77. Accused by a false witness: Ps 35:11-12 / Matt 26:59-63, Mark 14:55-59
78. Silent before his accusers: Is 53:7 / Matt 27:14
79. Spat upon: Is 50:6 / Matt 26:67
80. Stricken: Is 50:6 / Matt 26:67
81. Scourged: Is 50:6 / Matt 27:26
82. Face beaten to a pulp: Is 52:14 / Matt 27:30
83. Beard Plucked: Is 50:6 / Mark 15:16-20 (there is no record of Jesus' beard being plucked, it is likely one of the tortures he endured at the hands of the soldiers.
84. Humiliated: Is 50:6, PS 69:19 and PS 22:6-18 / Mark 15:17-19
85. Physical Exhaustion: Ps 22:15, Ps 109:22-25 / Luke 23:26
86. Crucified: Ps 22:16 (Zech 13:6) / Luke 23:33 Note: This prophecy was written by David 1,000 years before Jesus was born and 700 years before the Romans refined crucifixion as a method of execution
87. Identified with sinners: Is 53:12 / Mark 15:27
88. Object of scorn and ridicule: Ps 22:6-8 / Luke 23:35-36,39
89. Experience thirst: Ps 22:15 (ps 69:3,21) / John 19:28
90. Given vinegar to drink: Ps 69:21 / Matt 27:48
91. Friends stand far away: Ps 38:11 / Luke 23:49
92. Stared at: Ps 22:17 / Luke 23:35
93. Clothing divided among persecutors: Ps 22:18 / John 19:23
94. Lots cast for robe: Ps 22:18 / John 19:23-24
95. Darkness at noon: Amos 8:9 / Matt 27:45
96. A cry of disorientation due to separation from God: Ps 22:1 / Matt 27:46
97. Pray for persecutors: Ps 109:4 / Luke 23:34
98. A cry of victory: Ps 22:31 / John 19:30
99. Voluntary release of spirit: Ps 31:5 / Luke 23:46
100. No Bones Broken: Ps 34:20 / John 19:32-33
101. Pierced in the side: Zach 12:10 / John 19:34
102. Death by a broken heart: Ps 22:14 / John 19:34 Note: the separation of the blood and water is a sign of a ruptured heart.
103. Buried in a rich man's grave: Is 53:9 / Matt 27:57-60

The Messiah's Resurrection and ascension

104. Resurrection: Ps 16:10, Ps 22:19-24, IS 53:10-11 / Mark 16:6, Acts 2:31-32
105. Ascension: Ps 8:18 / Act 1:9
106. Exaltation at the right hand of God: Ps 110:1 / Mark 16:19
107. Serve as High Priest: Ps 110:4 / Heb 6:20
108. Continue to be despised by the Nations: Ps 2:1-2 / 1 John 5:19

Answer 2

Hmm its a good question but I feel as if you've given it just a little too much thought for the Yahoo users. Email the Vatican perhaps? Because unless you're getting paid to think about this stuff...I would just be happy knowing that there are millions of mysteries in our world.


Who's to say there even was a jesus?

Answer 3

Jesus embodied the Law in the flesh. (Incarnate) Yes it is true that Jesus genetic line is Matriarchial. Yes it is true that God left that dry dusty land long before He sent the Son to give the last call, so to speak. Then the Apostles that stayed behind with the old Israel, held back the darkness for a few more years.

Answer 4

While it's true that Jesus had to be of the bloodline of David, that doesn't necessarily mean he had to be a direct descendent of Zedekiah. David had other descendents other than Zedekiah that Jesus could've come from and still been an heir to the throne.

Answer 5

To be a Messiah he needn't to be a bloodline of King Zedekiah or a Jew, but a human being (God chooses whomever He wants). Is it written somewhere? Do you know the claim that Jesus have no bloodline of any man, but his mother. His mother is well known to be in the bloodline of Aaron, the brother of Moses, a Jew. Do you need any proof more than that. Jesus is the Messiah, who is coming back, not you but for your great grandchildren to astonish.

Answer 6

Jesus was from the line of David legally through Joseph. He was related by blood to Mary.

Matthew 1:16 says And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.'

Notice it does not say Joseph the father of Jesus, but instead the husband of Mary. That's because legally Jesus was Joseph's son and with that came all the rights of a son from his own blood.

Answer 7

Read matthew 1:1-18

Answer 8

His mother was of the line of Judah,
He was the only begotten son of God the Father.

Don't know why the Vatican won't talk about Ireland.

Answer 9

Jesus did not fulfill even half of the jewish prophecies of the Messiah, which is why the Jews never accepted him as the Messiah.

Answer 10

part of God and then born thru the Holy spirit and thru Abraham and David.. Matt 1:1