When your religion would tell you, the earth is flat, would you believe it?

Question

There are so many points in the Bible which are proven wrong over time (male (Y) developing out of female (X) and not vice versa, mitochondrial RNA etc.), why do some people still believe every word is true????

To all who don't know genetics: the Y chr. is like the X just with missing features, so XY is less information than XX, therefor XX must have been first

and the mitochonrial RNA shows that humans developed out of 4 different kind of 'females', who were not related to each other, ...not as mammals, there is.

sorry, if I made you look stupid, Tommy ;)

xzaerynu…: you lack some knowledge. I.e.: Mitochondriens are in our cells, so they can only be given to you by your mother and NEVER by the father (the sperm doesn't contain cell elements). And evolution is proved way more than the Bible, so what's you point? Why sticking to the less probable?

Answer 1

Lilth...I see things differently than you. Though many things in the Bible (old testament) have been investigated and probably did not happen exactly as written then interpreted over and over again...many things have been found to show things that DID happen...and no I am not going into telling all of them...clue...I am a history channel nut.

But no, I would not believe the world is flat because I have flown through the skys...and I can plainly see by the lay of the land from up there that it is not. I wonder if Moses would have believed that a day would come when a mere person could fly through the skies and see enough of the three dimensional world to know that earth is round.

GG

Answer 2

Actually science has not disproven that the X chromosome was deriven from the Y chromosome and it hasn't been proven either. Theory after theory that stands the test of time has been taught eventually as the truth, take the theory of evolution for example. There has been no evidence to prove or disprove it. Religion is the practice of one's faith, but the faith is what drives the person. Faith is believing the unseen, not the seen. The earth is flat can be seen as a falsity so therefore does not go against faith because you can't have faith in something that has been dissproven. Science runs on the same premise. You can't disprove it, then therefore it's the truth. Faith is the same, if you can't disprove it then you have no reason not to believe it. It really boils down to what the heart of the person tells that person. I believe in God. I can tell you that I have never seen Him. I have never heard Him. I have never seen one thread of hard evidence that proves He exists. But I know He's there. I know when I feel the wind on my face. I know when I hear the cry of a new born baby. I know when I see the majesty of a great mountain top or see the setting sun in all its beauty. I know because I know and that is all I need.

Answer 3

Do you suppose that a female XX could produce XY? You must be kidding! XY could obviously split to produce XX, but not the other way around. Where did you get this little snippet?

Mitochondrial RNA shows common female ancestry (supposedly) but that's it.

What points have been proven wrong? Show me even ONE!

Tom

Answer 4

themale has the pattern for both the male and the female Both x and Y , so why sould I believe that the female ( only x) would be the original. and there are no statements made in the bible about mitochondrial DNA, so what are you going on about? I'd rather believe the bible. ( 7000 years of accumulated knowledge) than " science" which comes up with a fresh theory every week/.

Answer 5

The same thing can be said about science; do we just believe everything that scientists tell us. Many times, another scientist will come along, years after another scientist, and prove that the previous scientist's findings were not true. They still can't figure out what causes cancer, how to avoid it and most of all how to cure it and many of the medicines they prescribe have side effects that are much worse than the disease they are supposed to "cure."

Answer 6

The Bible never said the Earth was flat. And it only says that the man was made first. What other points have been proven "wrong"? I'd really like to know, I'm not being facetious.

Answer 7

Where did you get flat from the bible?

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The bible said the earth was round before the scientists did.

Answer 8

The Bible is the inspired word of God. It is chronicled by men. They may have been inept in actually telling what God wants us to know, but they tried. The Truth is the words quoted of Jesus, (in red), and the general message.

Answer 9

Remeber that original sin is intelligence (eating from the tree of knowledge)...

In Christianity fact isn't equated to truth. The truth is the magical word of God which is recorded in the Bible. To christians it is impossible to accept that the bible isn't perfect.

It's like trying to explain to you that the sun isn't yellow (just a random example). It would be impossible....

Answer 10

Why do people like to show their ignorance on here?

No personal offense intended though, Lilith. Just to make it up to you, I'll show some of my ignorance, although I regret that I will not be able to show as much ignorance as you have shown.

I will answer your "questions" in the order that you asked them:


Is the Earth Flat??: I don't need my religion to tell me that the earth is flat! The earth IS flat, until I'm up inside a plane flying over it. Curvature is a property of perspective. If I look at the horizon on the ocean, I can speculate that the horizon exists due to the curvature of the earth. BUT if I look at the horizon that is at a mountain range, I have no idea of knowing what is on the other side of that mountain range.

So to many primitive peoples, the "Earth" must have looked "curved" to sailors, "flat" to plainsmen surrounded by plateaus and finally "bowl-shaped" to people living in valleys with a variety of other in between possibilities.

Assuming that observations made by airplane pilots, old/ancient Arabic/Hindu/Persian astronomers/mathematicians, or pictures from space (like from man-made satellites) are truthful depends upon one's faith or reliance upon the certainty of: The eyeballs and brains of airplane pilots/passengers, or picture taken from up in the air; or the truthfulness of the history behind whether or not ancient mathematicians could prove the earth was curved; or the reliability of the pictures taken from space.

Please remember, the Earth is not a perfect sphere, nor a perfect spheroid for that matter, it has a complex and ever-changing shape that is governed by many forces, mainly but not solely gravity.

Also note that while early Christian glossars, and other scholars sometimes stated that the Earth Must logically be Flat, this was actually anti-biblical and based upon paradigms of the era. NOWHERE in the actual text of the bible (that I can find at least) does it say: The Earth is Flat...
In fact, originally in the bible, the Earth was said to be formless, which would comply with science's theories of planet formation. And IF any author of any of the books of the bible thought the Earth was flat, yet again, it was probably because he hadn't traveled enough to learn otherwise.

Look up the term "paradigm shift".


Male/Female: If God bio-engineered humanity using evolution or one of various other similar possible strategies, it would have been possible for God to make Man out of Woman or Woman out of Man, both would have been possible, and actually, making female out of male would have been easier, although would have led to a weaker gene-pool probably.

While commonly accepted theory states that cellular life gained information as it evolved I wouldn't call this a Law of nature, there are cases when this just isn't true. Often the genetic complexity of a life-form regresses/simplifies. For example, if a bacteria that is missing a certain gene/sequence etc lives more in the presence of antibiotics, that bacteria thrives and reproduces. However, the opposite can also hold true. If a mutation adds genetic information which strengthens said species in an environment, again it will thrive.

While I'm sure biologists and geneticists have offered limited evidence or proof of the probable origins of gametes and thereby of genders, you have not, therefore your argument is invalid, even if you do speak the truth.

Mitochondrial Family Ties: Mitochondrial DNA/RNA is usually maternal in nature, however, recent studies have suggested the possibility that 1% or more of Mitochondrial DNA is paternal, furthermore there has been at least one reported case where this is so in humans and many cases in non-human species. So, Lilith, yet again is broadly over-generalizing scientific findings to try to support some Mitochondrial Eve theory...which heck I want to believe in as well, but the truth is it is a theory, not fact.


Blind Sheep??: Why do some people still believe every word of the Bible or their various religions is true? Well, ask yourself the EXACT same question as to why you believe everything that "Oh Holier than thou Science" so decrees. It is called faith. Sure, this could be mental laziness, but I don't think that accounts for 100% of it. A lot of people feel pressured by their religious familes/friends, or anti-religious/science-believing friends/academic authority figures into believing what makes that person accepted.

If I espoused evolution in Puritan Era England, or New England, I would probably have been burnt at the stake. And if I espoused any Creation theory (probably 50 or so years from now in Europe or the US) or (in present day) at Berkeley University I would then again be burnt at the stake while being shot at the same time (just kidding...sort of).

See? It is all a matter of public or cultural or family perspectives and how we as people (growing learning children) allow or don't allow these views to be imposed upon us. I mean, heck if we don't choose something to believe, then what will we have left to believe in? Having something to believe in (Science, Religion, Lottery/Gambling Superstitions) is a whole lot more comforting to us than bucking all the systems out there.

We in the US have the gift and curse of being able to choose (at least for the time-being) from various views on things in life. That's pretty cool! But, it is also a burden, because isn't it hard to choose which candy to buy when you like them all?


In the end, a person of faith, but also intelligence, can only answer your question thusly:
I have more faith and belief in God, his prophets, and the future (more definitive) findings of genetics science and other sciences/research than I do in what you or I or any other individual claims based upon supposed "truth" that may or may not be truth after all.