Aren't Atheists just as wrong as Theists?

Question

The lack of proof never means that God doesn't exist, how do you know that evolution isn't God's ultimate Plan?

But he created mankind in a special way.

We can sense the effects of Gravity, but Gravitons are not matter (at least i think not).

Free thinkers and/or open minded people only.

The Great Gazoo: I'm not agnostic, i'm a Muslim, Trying to be open minded and I'm asking this while looking from your perspective.

Answer 1

If two ideas are mutually exclusive, either one is wrong or they're both wrong. It is possible that a supreme being exists, and stays hidden. God of the Bible is not a supreme being, don't know about Allah. It is unrealistic to assume there is any magic happening, though, when we haven't seen any magic happen.

Answer 2

So you are agnostic about the Invisible Pink Unicorn too I take it. The evidence is the same.

There is almost certainly no such think as a "graviton", so don't sweat it. That is from some pretty old work. You are right, that we have very little idea how gravity works. There is a branch of M Theory that has a reasonable guess based on the math and the fact that it is a weak force, but it is still untested. But there is ample evidence it does work.

Most of us, if pressed would not say 100% impossible that there is a god. It is just very very unlikely that you could make a wild guess at how the universe was created in the bronze age and actually have it be right. To me the odds are so low, that it isn't worth the time.

Answer 3

The key is evidence. It is correct to say that there is no evidence to suppose that god either does or does not exist. It follows from this that no theory of god has any use in the real world: no such theory can make predictions. It is certainly possible that some god created the rules by which the universe has run during the 13.6 billion years since the big bang, but that tells us nothing that is of the slightest use in predicting what will happen next week. As for gravitons, the jury is out; experiments to detect gravitons or gravity waves have produced nothing of consequence. One of the interesting tidbits about gravity is this question: does the Earth orbit where the sun is at this instant, or where it was eight minutes ago? It makes a detectable difference.

Answer 4

The graviton is massless matter first of all.

In a sense I feel that Christians are like Freudians in that they cheat. If anyone were to ever find something which suggests something different to what they have taught, someone will turn around and say "But of course! If you are right, then our God created it!" Check Freud's work today and it holds up to precious little experiment or research, but because he put in the clause "anything that doesn't agree with what I say is merely in denial" it persists.

When you dream up a being that can in theory do everything, someone will always claim that they are responsible for any theory that tries to explain the world without their input. It's not intelligent philosophy to respond in this way. Academically each faction should realise that what they argue has limited means of proof and stand on equal footing in an arguing sense, and then move on. Fixing on it doesn't further any debate.

Answer 5

Actually, a universal negative `can` be proven. A square circle is impossible because the two have mutually exclusive properties. (A circle cannot have four corners and yet remain a circle; in knowing this, I know the absolute and unwavering impossibility of square circles.)

A perfect creator is impossible because:
- Perfection does not beget imperfection. A perfect god creating imperfect human beings despite possessing infinite foresight is impossible. A perfect God creating perfect humans who ruin it all by choosing to disobey God is impossible. This is logically incontestable.
- A perfect God creating a universe is impossible. To say that God did it on a whim is the same as admitting that it could all have occurred by chance. To say that God's creation of the universe was purposeful implies a disequilibrium between what he was and what he wanted to be. This alludes to imperfection.

The logical fallacies go on and on and on. I don't have much more time for fantasy-worshipers, but at the very least this dashes the Christian God as described in the Bible, which I've read from cover to cover.

I'm an atheist because I endeavour to know as much for certain as I possibly can. I'm an atheist because the intellectual basis for belief in unicorns is identical to the intellectual basis for belief in God. The whole thing is absurd.

~ Carnage

Answer 6

In a way yes. Both refuse to look at all the data, and get so bogged down in labels, that no progress is made. You've never seen god, and have no proof of his existence, so you cant push a theory down the throats of the masses. Believe what you believe, and nothing more.
On the flip, we haven't the scope or technology to measure dimensions, and thus can not at this time definitively say there is no god. The hypothesis is inconclusive. Inconclusive not nonexistent. If you think there is no god, that is JUST AS MUCH a belief as what the theists feel to be true

Answer 7

What a HUGE generalization you have there! It depends solely upon the Atheist and type of theist you are speaking of. Some theists support evolution and science....many theists do not. However, your assertion that 'mankind' is special makes your argument somewhat impotent. Our DNA is less than 2% different than a chimps. We are more closely related to chimps than zebras are related to horses.

It seems so nice to feel "special"....but it simply isn't true and 'mankinds' belief that he is special has only led to the rape of the natural world.

Answer 8

Of course the lack of evidence doesn't prove that there's no God. But to believe something simply because the lack of evidence doesn't prove you wrong would be ridiculous. There's evidence that abiogenesis created life, there's no evidence that God did it.
Keep in mind that atheism is not the belief that no god exists, it's the lack of belief that one or more gods do exist. Atheism is the default position unless evidence can be provided for theism.

Answer 9

But my friend you are confusing belief with proof.

I have no idea if God exists, all I have is strong evidence to the contrary and none to substantiate. I have strong doubts such proof is possible. But I am 100% sure I _don't believe_ God exists.

So this would make me an agnostic atheist. While I presume to suggest you are an agnostic Muslim, no?

Answer 10

It is more correct to assume something exists or doesn't exist when the evidence is absent?

Gravitons are merely hypothesized, not observed. I, for one, am not absolutely convinced that gravity is a fundamental force. I'm reading about a hypothesis that it is a manifestation of electromagnetism. I can't dismiss that.