Christians: Does Rom.8:35-39 support the doctrine of once saved/always saved or .......?

Question

or just that nothing can ever separate us from God's love? Even if we reject Him. Please explain why you believe the way you do. Thanks.

Answer 1

Paul also wrote about those who followed after false teachers and "shipwrecked" their faith. So this sort of undoes the once saved always saved theory, don't you think? Those verses say that nothing can separate us from the love of God....and I do not believe that anyone can "accidentally" lose their salvation. I do think people can wilfully turn their backs on Jesus Christ. But that begs the question, were they ever born again to begin with?

As I cannot see into a heart, all this I must leave to God. I just need to make sure I know where I stand with regard to Him...and I do know. I stand on His word, and believe in His son.

Answer 2

John 10

Answer 3

The verses you cite are dealing with the idea that there is nothing on this earth that can claim those that are justified to God. You need to look to other verses. See below.

You cannot lose your salvation when you have truly repented and claimed the benefits of the atoning sacrifice of Christ. Your salvation is assured from the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints.

Falling from grace:

This taught that a saved man could fall finally from salvation. It is, of course, the logical and natural outcome of the system. If man must take the initiative in his salvation, he must retain responsibility for the final outcome.

But we know from the bible that no man can save himself. If he could, then Christ's death was in vain. We are called to repentence through the workings of the Holy Spirit. God's elect were chosen before the world was created.

God's gifts and his call are irrevocable (Romans 11:29).

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son . . . And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified (Romans 8:29-30). All of those God justifies are glorified.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand (John 10:28).

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-- if that were possible (Matthew 24:24). This implies it is not possible to deceive the elect and cause them to fall away.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me (Jeremiah 32:40).

Answer 4

Sure, it certainly "supports" that doctrine, along with a lot of other verses. But people on the other side of the debate have their own verses and explanations for why they believe that a person can "forfeit" their salvation because they choose to turn from God. No one that I know of says that the blood of Jesus isn't sufficient payment for all of our sins so that a person could commit a sin and lose their salvation. Rather the people who are not in the OSAS camp talk about free will and God not forcing a person to remain faithful to Him.

Personally, I don't get caught up in those arguments anymore. I just tell people to do what it says in the following passage and don't worry about it.

2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

Answer 5

This verse says nothing about salvation. Even when the prodigal son was living in sin, the father loved him. He loved the son even if he never returned. God loves even those who choose to live separated from Him. We separate ourselves from God. We reject Him and His love. That doesn't change whether He loves us. But if we separate ourselves and reject Him and His love we are by no means saved.

Answer 6

it means the same...it supports the doctrine of once saved/always saved and that nothing can separate us from God's love...i believe in this coz once saved/always saved has the same meaning with nothing can separate us from God's love...a concrete example to justify this is Jesus

Answer 7

Nothing can separate you, but if you totally turn on him and go to satan you will not get in or be saves, so yes you can lose it, but God will not let that happen he is saying, when the devil comes he will not let him get to close to those he loves!
http://www.freedomcame.com/glory/

Answer 8

He speaks of the saints, the chosen ones, who are the first born. We are not the first born, but the apostles, disciples, the martyrs...those that laid down the foundation of the Church. However, that being said, one can almost see the serene yet passionate expression of the writer of these words as he tells us of the love God has for them.

Answer 9

no, for

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away,[a] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;

Hebrews 6:5-7

Answer 10

Salvation is being born into a family. No matter what you do against your family-- you still are a fmily member. Sin results in loss of sweet fellowship with family members. If sin resulted in the loss of your salvation and membership in the family of God-- then who are those God chastens? Jesus told Peter he only needed to wash his feet (daily confession of sins) to maintain fellowship with Him.