Do you believe in PREDESTINATION ?

Question

“Predestination is the doctrine that God alone chooses (elects) who is saved. He makes His choice independent of any quality or condition in sinful man. He does not look into a person and recognize something good nor does He look into the future to see who would choose Him. He elects people to salvation purely on the basis of His good pleasure. Those not elected are not saved. He does this because He is sovereign. He has the right to elect some to salvation and let all the rest go their natural way: to hell. This is predestination."

"For those God foreknew he also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, …and those he PREDESTINED, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:29-30

"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy... having PREDESTINED us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His His will Ephesians." 1:4-5

Answer 1

The most common objection do the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God chose certain individuals and not others? The important thing to remember is that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen because they are receiving what they deserve. God choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God – therefore no one can object if they do not receive anything from God. An illustration would be me handing out money to 5 people in a crowd of 20. Would the 15 people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No they do not. Why? Because I did not owe anyone any money. I simply decided to be gracious to some.

If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the free will choice – all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and we will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who was seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand in hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out!”

Answer 2

Predestination is who GOD calls to bring" His plan" to pass, Not who is saved. Most have Freewill.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Many are called to salvation, few chosen elect.

All people have freewill to choose GOD or Satan in this age. But only GODs elect are predestined. Rom 8:29-30, Rom 11:2-8

It wouldn't be fair if GOD went and choose only a few for Salvation.

Answer 3

that's a lose-lose any way you look at it. in spite of if loose-will existed, that's an somewhat very vulnerable rigidity. Our movements and judgements have been put in place by the previous activities. If situations have been a fragment of a fragment different, then we'd have made a different decision. this implies we've an somewhat constrained sphere of administration over who we are, or what we do. With this in techniques, predestination could make good experience--different than that God creates souls knowingly to deliver to hell. does not look that merciful and loving. on the different hand, God isn't omniscient or prescient. God -can't- see the destiny, or be attentive to which direction humanity will take. that would quite be a strike against an all-efficient, all understanding writer. the extra efficient assumption is that there is not any Hell. There can't be if God is conscious each thing and is only and righteous, in view that would mean that he created billions of souls to torture for eternity, understanding completely properly that they have been going there. the best assumption is that God does not exist as you think of of him.

Answer 4

Yup, and I don't see how that's so difficult for people to comprehend. What's wrong with God doing the choosing? I trust Him more than Man's ability anyway. Predestining everyone would mean that there would be no reason to even mentioned that concept in the Bible. He chooses out of his own eternal counsel, we have no say in that counsel. Kait backtracks over his(?) own words with a great defense of predestination but then tells us that we choose too. Abel doesn't realize that a predestination to hell is not Calvinism, although making a vessel for the purpose of destruction should be enough to carry its own weight.

Theophilus also backtracks with God choosing those who choose him. It isn't both. It can't be. And from the details you provided, you're absolutely correct.

Answer 5

God wants all men to be saved, not only a selected few.
"For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son that whosoevers believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
God has called us all by the Gospel to become his children. He predestined all of us to be his childre, it is just that some people choose to not receive this precious gift that God has given us.

Answer 6

I beg to disagree with your interpretation of what St. Paul says about predestination. Here is the position of the Catholic Church on the matter.

God predestines no one to go to hell;620 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":

Father, accept this offering
from your whole family.
Grant us your peace in this life,
save us from final damnation,
and count us among those you have chosen.

Peace and every blessing!

Answer 7

I believe in the doctrine of predestination because it is in the Bible; but not necessarily in the way you are describing it. I believe God is sovereign in election, but not entirely indiscriminate in His choosing. He chooses according to His pleasure, but I do not believe God is whimsical. He always acts in accordance with his infinite wisdom and foreknowledge.
I prefer to think of destiny in this way:
If you are in Christ, you are destined for salvation.
If you are not in Christ, you are destined for wrath.

Answer 8

Hi Steve. Yes, predestination is basis of God's salvation plan. In addition to the verses you have quoted, God tells us more about the book of life from the foundation of the world. In Revelation 17:8 God tells us:

"...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

In Revelation 20:15 God warns us what will happen to those whose names are not in the book of life:

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

There will be two groups on Judgment Day. The very Elect who are predestined and whose names are in the book of life, and those who will stand before the Judgment seat of Jesus Christ. In 2 Corinthians 5:10 we read:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."

Not all of those who stand before Christ will be sent to Hell, but God will be the Judge, and none of our good works will matter. In Matthew 7:22-23 God teaches:

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

But God is merciful, cry out to Him.

Answer 9

The good Lord above should this to me about 6 years ago he has a chosen people, a royal preisthood,a chosen generation, a remant, a separated people. Those people that have the true Spirit of Christ and know the truth know this because he has shown or will show this to them.

Answer 10

Yes, God is all sovereign. This is called the doctrine of grace.