Absolutely.
The rapture was when I fell in love.
The tribulation was when I got married.
The rapture was before the tribulation.
2007-04-04 12:28:47
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answered by Dave P 7
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The word "rapture" is not in the bible, but it does say that God will take us away, and describes it. I do believe in the rapture but i don't believe that Christians will be taken away before the tribulation period. God said that he will "cut our days short" during this time, he didn't say that he would take us away from it.
My own personal beliefs (which everyone has a different interpretation and that's fine) are that Christians will be put threw tribulation because it also says in the bible that more people will go to hell and that heaven will not be crowded. God has to weed out the weak in spirit and the fake Christians.
I also think that the rapture is soon, technology has increased more in the last 100 years than in the history of the world, that is said in the bible, but there are certain things that have to happen like the rebuilding of temples and the Antichrist announcing that he is the Messiah, so i think it will be soon but not for a few more years, 10 or 20 maybe.
But like i said, everyone has different beliefs.
Also... those of you who are saying that the answer is only in Revelations... Is totally wrong, yes it is in there a littile bit, but peter and a few other books describe the tribulation period much much better than Revelation. Those who think it is only in Revelation don't read their bible to well. It is a common misconception.
2007-04-04 12:33:18
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answered by Trinity 2
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Yes, "we shall be caught up together with him in the air"...
Tribulation yes also. I think Pre-trib but could be mid-tribulation as well. I don't see any Biblical evidence for the post-tribulation position.
Miranda: (Are you a 7th day ad..? Yes) The word Tribulation is mentioned in the Bible and the rapture Like Trinity the word itself is not in the Bible but but if you are well read (Bible) you can't miss it. By the way two individuals have been caught up with God in the Bible. (Enoch and Elisha) You need to put the seventh day lesson down and just read your Bible.
Midge:
You want to pay for your own sin "Hell" is the price, and not Tribulation. We either pay for our sin (With Hell.) or Christ Pays for our sin with His Redeeming Blood. There is no co-op plan, not room for self-righteous boasting. Christians need to start realizing that the Virgin (If she was not,in your mind, a virgin you are not a true Christian.) Mary and Judus Iscariot were both worthy of eternal damnation. Moreover, Jesus himself said their was no greater man than John the Baptist ever born. Yet God choose to have Him martyred and Enoch was ruptured away. Just remember that God's ways are not our ways.
Sola Scriptora (Scriptures Alone-ie not the church fathers or catocisims) So tell me if not sola scriptora what? The church fathers? Which ones? They controdict each others and call each other haratics. The Pope? If so all Popes even those that gained the possion via "simony"? When you turn off the Catholic T.V. and Radio propaganda and read your Bible seeking the truth and to truly please God you like I before you will seecz to be a Catholic and if you follow God He will make you a fundamentalist. People stay Catholic out of ignorence, don't beleive me next time your leaveing mass take a survey of the perishners and see how many of them can tell you what "imaculate conception is? Just follow the Preist to Hell or follow Jesus to Heavan. The paths are contrary.
2007-04-04 14:11:04
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answered by sean e 4
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Rapture... the end of the world...
According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17, which states, "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."
Virtually all Christians hold that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1–4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture—though it was not called that at the time—would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the "post-tribulational" view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
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MY opinion:
People have been proclaiming that they are living through the "end times" for waaaaay too long. There's always some unhygienic street-corner evangelist crackpot sputtering about how the world is going to end and that all the heathens better get the Lord harassed into their unsaved souls.
It STILL hasn't happened. The sky isn't falling. The oceans aren't boiling. Pigs are most definitely NOT sprouting wings and taking to the skies. They've been barking about it for years and years and years and they'll STILL be barking for years to come.
It's a scare tactic, a convenient freak- the- everliving- crap- out- of- folks magic wand that can be waved about in dramatic fashion any time the religious collective feels the soul harvest is running dry.
Trust me... go about your life. Ok, I'm sure you will anyhow considering there's really no alternative option (besides suicide, and I've heard “God” frowns upon that), but just make sure to keep in mind: STAY CALM. DON'T PANIC. REMEMBER YOUR TOWEL.
2007-04-04 12:29:28
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answered by Anonymous
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No. I believe in the resurrection and the second coming of Christ. No where in the bible does it say anything about the "rapture" or the "tribulation". Sorry, these are doctrines I am unaware of.
My religion says that before the second coming, there will be many who are deceived by a false Christ. Even some believers will be deceived. Not every believer will be saved from this, and not every believer will be saved from everything that will happen before Christ comes again.
2007-04-04 13:06:00
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answered by odd duck 6
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I find it very odd that Protestants would build a tenant such as the "rapture" out of a bible they do not believe in.
The term "rapture" is not found in "the" bible. That is to say it is not found in any bible used by Protestants.
So much for Sola Scriptura, eh?
It comes from the Latin Vulgate, which is rejected by Protestants.
The Latin word "raptus" does not mean to be lifted up in a delightful manner. It means to be torn away.
One will be taken (i.e., torn away) the other will be left behind.
This refers to the tribulation.
When speaking about troubled times ahead, Jesus himself says over and over again that all believers will suffer. No one will be spared.
Revelation states, even some of the elect will fall victim to the beast's charm.
So much for "once saved always saved."
2007-04-04 12:37:25
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answered by Max Marie, OFS 7
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The rapture and tribulation should not be taken literally. I don't believe it is one sweeping event that will happen to all at one time. I believe it is symbolic and events that take place within each individual's consciousness. It will happen at different times for different individuals and no one knows exactly when.
2007-04-04 12:38:49
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answered by MyPreshus 7
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Yes. The rapture will be before the tribulation. No one knows when.
2007-04-04 12:28:57
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answered by Anonymous
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I believe in the rapture and I think it will be before the great tribulation.
2007-04-04 12:28:52
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answered by nolet93 3
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I am a pre tribulation believer.
I have heard good arguments for mid tribulation believers.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
2007-04-04 12:29:20
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answered by Anonymous
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Harpazo = Rapture
END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY
The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.
The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.
The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.
The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.
The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).
The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).
The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).
The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).
The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).
The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!
The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.
THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)
The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.
There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.
A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.
The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.
During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.
MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)
The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.
Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.
The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.
The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.
The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.
The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.
The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).
Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.
THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)
In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.
Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.
The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.
At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.
THE MILLENNIUM
The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).
At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).
THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT
The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).
THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)
Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.
2015-03-04 08:01:33
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answered by Anonymous
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