Asking this to atheists because i LOVEEEEE Parrots answer...?

Question

Ok, how about this...

Man invents things right?? What if God is just a great inventor?? What if he was there before us, like man is before his invention, and he created us and that is why there is no evidence of anything before him?? An invention doesnt know anything beyond its creator until it is taught the things outside and around it. This can kind of explain a theory of polytheism but our perticular God doesnt want any other God acknowledged. Like if i invented something and told it that no other human exsists outside of me, and then made it so that it could never really find out. I know its a far stretch, but thats way i only want the mature to answer. Its a purely conceptual conversation. All i want to know is if you think it COULD be this way. Just because God says theres only one of Him, doenst mean there is. This is not a weak faith issue, just looking for insight and information. Not rants on how ignorant blah, blah, blah.

We already know how set in my ays i am. I AM LOOKING FOR INSIGHT AND INFORMATION. OPINIONS ONLY PLEASE. Not believer bashing.

I want to thank everyone who answered this with an open mind and a REAL communication. I feel sorry for all the jack*sses who feel the need to vent their low self-esteems toward my curiosity. I hope a majority of the atheists in the world repsond wioth a clearer and more intelligent response as a couple of you did. But thanks to all who have tried anyway, your answers will hopefully get me an A.

I want to thank everyone who answered this with an open mind and a REAL communication. I feel sorry for all the jack*sses who feel the need to vent their low self-esteems toward my curiosity. I hope a majority of the atheists in the world repsond wioth a clearer and more intelligent response as a couple of you did. But thanks to all who have tried anyway, your answers will hopefully get me an A.

I agree with black, we place all our belief in what other men tell us is true, but have no belief in what our own heart feels. I feel it is a result of not wanting to be wrong. I think its really because serving a God your whole life and then finding out that he didnt exsist, you'll feel cheated. I have to trust what i feel because so much of the things of man are just so wrong. I cant put my trust only in what i see because the whole way of man is deception. There is an entire village in N. Korea that is bustling with business and commerce by day and is totally vacant at night. It is used only to fool (supposedly) S. Korea into thinking that its a thriving city. In fact, N. Korea is one of the poorest countries on the map. If you can only honsetly believe only what you can see and what is before your eyes, then i feel sorry for you when the deception crashes and reality hits. And Im not talking about God, Im talking about life in general.

Answer 1

Let's study one of the most beautiful stories ever told. The story of Adam's fall. Not surprisingly, every religion in the world has similar stories as part of their very original teachings. Then when all the religions were taken over by so called preachers, all religions lost their meaning and hence all the BS there after about haven, hell, angles, sins, prayers etc.

Please remember this story can be best understood through its symbolism & not by taking it literally.

It says that, God forbade Adam to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. The moment he ate knowledge, the moment he become knowledgeable, he knew no more. He became intellectual & he was no more intelligent.

And then, the serpent is the first teacher of humanity, the first education system, the first academician. He has taught us the trick of knowledge.

Adam was in state of knowing, then he became knowledgeable.

Knowledge created the mind. Mind created Time & Space. You see, Time & Space are minds approximation of true reality. Out of Mind, Space & Time came Science, Theology, Philosophy etc.

So the God is just reaching the state of No-mind, the original state. But the concept of "Creater God" is your Mind's creation just like other mind games.

I ask myself question, "Why is it so?". But my Mind created this question. It's a vicious circle.

Maybe people who have reached the No-mind state are debating this in their relm!!!! So is there something beyond No-mind!!! Who knows, please keep Open Mind!!! HaHaHa.

Answer 2

Yes, 'What if?". It's a very interesting idea and I don't see why it couldn't be one of the many possibilities out there. I'm not an atheist and I'm not a believer either. I like to hear different theories because I have a million bouncing around in my head and it depends on the day which one I feel may be more true than another. The thing that I don't like about it is that it's a little creepy. I don't like the idea that there might be a God who is that weird that he's 'hiding' the fact that there are other Gods out there. That would make him dishonest and I'd be afraid of someone like that. Then you start to wonder if God is actually 'evil' and trying to keep us from knowing about the 'real' gods who are good.

I'm open to all thoughts since I don't have the answer either. I'm content to wait until I die to find out the truth and even then, there may just be nothing. Who knows.

Answer 3

Of course it COULD be this way. We have a Holy Bible that documents a Creator and tells us exactly how everything came to be. Billions of people believe that He exists. Its very compelling to allow oneself to completely accept that this is the reason we came into being.

But I think the biggest reason that there is a departure from religion is because it has a different explanation for the world than what scientists are discovering recently. In just the last hundred years or so, these discoveries have, moreso now than any other time in history perhaps, pointed to an explanation of the existence of life that doesn't mesh with the commonly held religious view. Fossilized remains, several independent and matching carbon dates for these fossils, the cosmos outside of the Milky Way extending billions of lightyears away, the ability to resurrect people that are clinically brain dead (a miraculous feat once only attributed to Jesus), etc.

I think what would make me more willing to accept that there is a divine Creator would be if the Bible were a little more accurate with its depiction of the universe around us. I mean, if the Bible started with something like this: "In the beginning, God created the cosmos. He built the basic particles and said "Let there be gravity." And it was so. The particles began to attract other particles to themselves, and their density filled them with a Holy heat, which set them ablaze. God cast these blazes about the cosmos out to infinity. He then looked upon his creation of dots of fire in an infinite darkness. And it was good."

I would be the first in line to sign up to Christianity, believe me. Because when scientists did their research and found that this was exactly what the Bible said would be there, it would make sense that the Creator in the Bible was involved. It could EVEN be said that science would not even exist if the Bible started this way. I would bet that the reason people became curious about the world and began to perform experiments that sparked the birth of science is because they were unhappy with the explanation the Bible offered them.

It just didn't mesh.

Answer 4

Fair enough but....God wasn't a loner., I seem to remember reading somewhere..maybe Genesis : "Let US make man in OUR image". So, in this laboratory of invention, there were other, maybe novice inventors ( Angles? ) collaborating with the lead scientist. I also recollect a disagreement between these scientists that led to one of them being excused from the Lab and sent to tend to the new creatures.

Now with that said...Reflecting on past reading ( same chapter in the book )...God creates Man,..then gives man woman, the two pro-create ...Cain and Able, Cain kills Able, Able is banished from Eden, he wanders to the land called Nod, where he takes a WIFE and builds a city for HER people? I wonder if Cain was a scientist too, and created a wife and some other people to keep him company.

Answer 5

I am not an atheist but I'm answering nevertheless, i mean, i was once one of them. Hmmm, there are limitless possibilities that our brains can come up with in our attempt to understand this "God" and creation. As I have said and continue to say, it is great how we place our trust in scientists (past, present, and those to come) on there theories of what may have happened in our creation; a time i might add they were never apart of. However, there is difficulty in placing trust in a being that claims to be all knowing, the creator of all things, and who was there in the beginning. We will find innumerable excuses not to worship him. You are right, he is the inventor of all things, we cannot know everything about him or his creation for there is the requisite of having faith in him.

Answer 6

This of course leaves the question of why?

Also, to believe something along these lines, you'd have to deny a lot of obvious flaws including motives for hiding information, denying other "gods", apparently delivering flawed insight in the form of the Bible, etc, as well as flawed biological designs - if he created us in our current form why do we have an appendix, a tail bone (muscle attached to it does not give it purpose), backwards retinal nerve connections, a spine that requires support from the shoulders to prevent degradation, the list goes on for humans alone. If I was to create something in my image I'd at least get rid of the design flaws. And that is hardly refutable by claiming that we cannot comprehend his design/plans - you have to be able to comprehend a design to spot flaws, duh.

And parroting information, maybe if you people stopped asking the same damned questions you wouldn't be hearing the same answers for them...

Answer 7

"Man invents things, right? What if we take the concept of an all-encompassing, all-powerful deity and squish him down to a nice man-sized thing that we can understand and STILL allow him the same power?" You cannot place the infinite into a finite space, but most Christians forget this.

There is still no God.

Answer 8

Yes that very well maybe correct. If so, then the god of the bible was an alien that created us, like Zacharia Sitchin theorized. I am not teasing you, I am serious. This also explains the theory of polytheism, the head alien in charge of all of the other aliens was called lord of the gods while all of them were considered gods.

Answer 9

thats why its called a faith, not a science.. you cant prove it

i wish people would understand this or recognize it if they do.. religion was never meant to be something to be proven.. if it was something that could be proven, what value would it have to a person? i know the sky is blue, i can go outside and look at it if i forget or need reassurance, and knowing that does nothing for my soul

its possible that god does exist and that his plan is that we dont know that he exists, and if thats what you believe and it makes your life more meaningful, good for you. no need to prove it to others.. i think the best form of persuasion in this scenario is to live a healthy, full life with your religion, and if others see that in you as something they want themselves, they may follow

Answer 10

sounds a bit muddled, i think your trying to hard to have an explanation.
but it is good that you want to discuss this
what if man was a great inventor?

if god is there, what sort of being is he?
he has not communicated directly to our senses?
if you were an inventor, whould you alude your creations, let them suffer unnesesarily, provide them only with criptic scripture, like a childish game.
it makes no sense, other than humans, because of their own self awareness, wont accept death as the end