For my atheist homies again...?

Question

You cant prove love exsists except that you feel it. You cant prove hate exsists except that you feel it. You cant prove time exsists except that you feel it. You cant prove pain exsists except that you feel it. God is something that cant be proven by sight (to most anyway), but by how you feel. To get even deeper. The human body itself is mechanical. Anything that runs in a mechanical fashion was created by an intelligent design. The question is then, what was the intelligent designer?? Or who?? Did it just come out of nothing?? That big explosion?? What caused the big explosion quote unquote?? If there was nothing there to cause it, how can it be caused?? There must have been something and i want to know what atheists think that something was. Or does the answer "It just happened work for you?? Its not to be swamry or condecending, I can accept that. Please only serious answers, leave the believer bashing out, I want serious information please.

BTW, this is NOT a conversion question. Im not trying to sway opinions. Im trying to get insight and information, so please only REAL answers.

Ok then to all those gazoos out there, show me pain, love, or any of the other concepts I've mentioned as a tangible, and I'll turn atheist myself!! Especially if seeing is believing. I want a handful of pain. Not looking at brainwaves or mechanical pulses. I want to see pain, pure and simple. (i know i just set myself up for a joke...)

Kudos to deke for having one of the more "mature" answers. I feel the same way because some people say they cant feel love or pain etc. But most of our rules, laws and facts are based on uniformity, consistancy, and majority rule. Even if they are not Christian, a majority of the population of this planet feel something that is greater than us in our universe. If nthing else, can majority rule be the proof of at least A "God"?? We all agree that the sky is blue because we all agree that the word blue is an appropriate word for the color to describe it. But if i went around saying that the sky is blafnork, you'd look at me like an idiot. In THAT respect, I can see an atheists point of view. There is no proof that the sky is blue except that we all agree to call it "blue" (and i mean the color for all you layman scientists, not the reflection of water etc.) Shouldnt that be enough to make God real?? Just coming in from different sides is all...

What we see are brain waves and senapses CAUSED by pain. I said i want to see PAIN not a RESULT of pain. Thats like saying because you see marriages there has to be love. Come on yall, do better than that...

Answer 1

Love, hate and pain are all things that every human being are capable of feeling and experiencing, and as Gazoo stated, can be measured equally (as can time). All of these elements are similar in all of us, with varying thresholds.

God is something you believe, or that you convince yourself that you believe. It can't be measured. I understand your argument and point of view, I just don't see it the same way.

Answer 2

"Anything that runs in a mechanical fashion was created by an intelligent design." This is a debatable statement, and it cannot be proven. It is merely an inference from the above-noted "feelings" and human perspective. Also, you raise an interesting perspective with your question. If Man did not exist in order to feel these things, would these things still exist? Could you analyze a planet where no manlike beings were existent to devise the religious systems borne of higher conscious thought? Have you ever considered that many men's idea that there must be a Manlike intelligent creative agency might be an artifact of the human brain itself and merely a form of mirroring? I cannot discount this possibility, but I don't let it hinder me from experiencing wonder in the universe.

Answer 3

you can prove that love, hate and pain are real. receptors in your brain light up with energy when you feel these things, showing that they exist. time exists because we can measure it.
science will eventually show us how the universe was created. just look at how close we are and have come to learning that answer in such a short time. just because we haven't figured it out yet, doesn't mean we won't. modern medicine has dismissed so many misconceptions about man in the last couple of hundred years that if a modern doctor went back into biblical times and healed people of common diseases, he would be thought of as god!

we keep trying until we figure things out, that's how science works

i think I'm rambling - maybe i should start drinking coffee in the morning!

EDIT: but you CAN see pain - yes, it is in your brain, but it does exist, it's extremely easy to proove!
this is exactly why many people think that creationists are just uneducated bible thumpers because they just won't educate themselves to see the hard evidence because it contradicts what they blindly believe.(and i really don't mean that offensively)

Answer 4

First of all, skippy, I'm not your 'homie'.

I don't "feel" any of the things you listed above... you listed abstract concepts that have some correlation to tangible things. All of those things can be proven to exist in some way.

Your god cannot unless you were to redefine the word "God" into nothing more than an abstract concept.... and in doing that, you've proven your god to be worthless.

"Anything that runs in a mechanical fashion was created by an intelligent design. "
False. Just because I have a machine, doesn't mean it works. Intelligent design? Please. Intelligent design is a farce and is the laughingstock of the scientific community. Do a little research before bringing up arguments that have been refuted a million times over.

You say that God is the "intelligent designer".... so who created God? You said it yourself... "If there was nothing there to cause it, how can it be caused?? "
Are you going to turn on your own argument and say that your god is uncaused? You can't possibly expect me to believe that, can you?

Answer 5

Emotions have a chemical basis. That has been demonstrated.

I am giving a link to a short article about some older mind experiments.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=
You might enjoy it and it will give you a starting point for further research.

God is possibly a side effect of a brain problem in the temporal lobes.
(Do you ever wonder why Acid Heads are all so spiritual religious trippy.)

Answer 6

your spelling is painful, but let us say that emotions CAN be measured, god cannot.

Anything WE create was created by design. Your 'designer' questions is a total fallacy. I do not know how or why the big bang started or if there was anything before it. There are some models but nothing definite. Remember, it all happened some 13.7 billion years ago.

All this is NOT a good reason to say 'god diddit'.

Answer 7

Sorry, but you're wrong. Emotions can be proven by measuring biological chemical responses in the brain. Evolutionists and scientists don't claim to have all of the answers, but evolution has been proven to occur. God/Intelligent Design has not. You can put your faith in it if you want, but I'd rather go with something that at least has evidence to back it up over something that has no evidence at all.

Maybe I shouldn't have answered. I don't believe females can be "homies". BTW, that word went out of style years ago.

Added in response to your additional details: You've got your mind made up. You don't want answers. You're just preaching.

Answer 8

Wow are you so off base.

I don't feel god.
So that is proof that he doesn't exist. (According to your "theory".) Thank you.

The body is biological. NOT mechanical. You can't redefine words to suit your "theory".

It's laughable when theists argue the big bang that it couldn't "just happen from nothing". Yet blindly accept that god "just happened from nothing".

Ignorance is not bliss.

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Dude, you're digging your hole deeper.
>"I want to see pain, pure and simple."

Go to a neurologist. Schedule an MRI. He'll show you pain. Sorry, BUT brain waves are tangible. They can be measured. Do you claim electricity is not tangible, just because YOU can't see it? lmao

Now your turn. I want to see something tangible about your god. I'll wait......................................... ......................................... ......................................... .........................................

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>If nthing else, can majority rule be the proof of at least A "God"??

No, absolutely not. argumentum ad populum (Appeal to Popularity) is not a logical argument. It contains NO proof.
So because the majority at one time wanted slavery, it was right?

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>I said i want to see PAIN not a RESULT of pain.

I'll make a deal with you, you show me ELECTRICITY, not a RESULT of electricity. Then I'll show you pain.
(And you can't use lightning, that's a result)

So, are you going to not believe electricity is tangible?

Ignorance is still not bliss.

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Answer 9

I do not know how it all started [big bang etc.].
But claiming that god did it all simple moves the questio to; Where did god com from. If god always was there than life also could have been there. The origin of life is not explained by a god, because than the origin of god has to be explained.

Answer 10

Wrong.

You can measure changes in the brain as a result of emotions. You can measure electric impulses carried on the nerves as a result of pain. Anything that is real has measurable evidence.

Added: Oh come on..They know what section of the brain causes pain, you can measure electrical and heat changes in it. This is easy.....Here are some guys doing research on it.
http://www.jamesbraidsociety.com/news_brain-imaging.htm
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/538410
http://www.wits.ac.za/Health/Physiology/research/bfrg/
http://www.eurekah.com/chapter/822

This one is a general over view and it covers emotion too:
http://www.benbest.com/science/anatmind/anatmd8.html