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2007-04-03 15:01:52 · 28 answers · asked by niceguy 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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"Proofs" is one of those words. "Proof" in math isn't the same as proof in history or in interpersonal relationships or in biology or in any one of a host of other disciplines.

Lord Kelvin (the Father of Thermodynamics) said, “Do not be afraid of being free thinkers! If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion. You will find science not antagonistic but helpful to religion.”

Let me give you one of the many arguments for God's existence (based on scientific evidence): The Cosmological Argument. The argument is simply this: The cosmos is here and must be explained as to how it got here. This argument is using the law of cause and effect, which states: Every effect must have a preceding and adequate cause. What does it mean by "adequate"? Well, the building didn’t collapse because a mosquito landed on it. The tsunami didn’t hit because someone threw a pebble into the ocean.

Now, when it comes to explaining the existence of the universe, you only get three possibilities: (1) the universe is eternal (it has always been here), (2) the universe created itself, or (3) something created the universe. There is no other possibility except to claim that the universe is simply an illusion and does not exist. So let’s examine these three possibilities to see which is the most reasonable.

First, is the universe eternal? Absolutely not. We know this is true because of the universally recognized second law of Thermodynamics (the law of energy decay or entropy). This law states that everything goes downhill from order to disorder, more usable energy to less. This law is the reason why heat flows from hot to cold and why this building will fall apart if it is not kept up with. If someone doesn’t believe in the second law of thermodynamics, just challenge them to live forever; even with this awesome machinery we have in our bodies, you will eventually wear out and die. We can see that the universe is running down and wearing out; the stars are burning up, the radioactive atoms are decaying, etc. As Psalm 102:26 says, the heavens “will wear out like a garment.” Given enough time, the universe will experience what some call a “heat death” where there is no more energy available for work (maximum entropy); every part of the universe will be the same temperature, and no further work will be possible (speaking of energy transfer); all energy will be evenly distributed. Eternal things obviously do not wear out because they would have had an infinite amount of time to come to their end. Since you cannot have an end without a beginning, the universe must have had a beginning. Evolutionary astronomer Dr. Robert Jastrow said, “Now three lines of evidence—the motions of the galaxies, the laws of thermodynamics, the life story of the stars—pointed to one conclusion; all indicated that the Universe had a beginning.” And everything that has a beginning has a cause. This building had a beginning, you had a beginning, therefore there must have been a preceding and adequate cause. The evolutionists know this and so they came up with the “big bang” theory from that “cosmic egg” (the universe exploded into existence). But there is still a major problem—you have to explain where that “cosmic egg” came from. As it has been said, “There must be a cosmic chicken.” Some scientists like Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov proposed the oscillating universe theory to avoid a beginning. This theory states that the universe acts like a yo-yo; it explodes and then gravity pulls it back in, and then the process repeats itself over and over. But the second law of Thermodynamics still refutes that idea, since each cycle would exhaust more and more usable energy. The universe is not eternal!

Ok, that brings us to the second possibility: Did the universe create itself? I think Heb. 3:4 answers that pretty well, “...every house is built by someone...” Let’s say I walk into my livingroom and see a crayon drawing of our family on the wall. When I ask my daughter where it came from, will I accept her answer of, “It just appeared there; it came from nothing”? Her grandparents might, but I won’t. It is pretty clear that something cannot bring itself into existence. As R.C. Sproul has said, “It is impossible for something to create itself. The concept of self-creation is a contradiction in terms, a nonsense statement . . . It would have to have the causal power of being before it was. It would have to have the power of being before it had any being with which to exercise that power.” As it has been said, “Nothing scratched its head one day and decided to become something.” I’m sorry to have to drop this bombshell on you, but from nothing, comes nothing. Besides, the First Law of Thermodynamics (the law of energy conservation) argues against it. The First Law of Thermodynamics states that in a closed system (without a God, this Universe would have to be a closed system) the amount of energy present in that system is constant (it cannot be created or destroyed), it can only be converted from one form to another. So, if the Universe initially contained no energy, and then it spontaneously generated all of the energy in the Universe, the First Law would be violated. Without intervention from an outside force, the amount of energy in the Universe would have remained constant and unchanged at zero.

And now the third possibility: Did something create the universe? If the universe is not eternal and could not have created itself, then the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something or Someone. This would have to be a transcendent, eternal, self-existing being. I can find only one satisfactory explanation to our conundrum, and that is found in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Someone may argue, “If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn’t God need a cause; who created God?” The answer is, everything that has a beginning has a cause; God, unlike the universe, did not have a beginning. Time is linked to matter and space (as we can see from Einstein’s general relativity). If God created the universe, then He created time along with matter and space. If God created time, then He is outside of time and doesn’t need a beginning.

What is more absurd, to believe that God Created everything out of nothing or that nothing turned itself into everything? The fact is, we live in a Universe that is an effect. There must be a preceding and adequate cause for it. The only thing that makes sense is a Creator who is more powerful than anything we can imagine.

2007-04-04 09:49:27 · answer #1 · answered by Questioner 7 · 0 0

Well thats easy nobody can prove he exists. But noone can prove he doesn't either. I tell you though if you do some research and look around, it doesn't make sense to say he doesn't exist. I mean, if life was an accident, why is life so complex? Why do living things fight to survive? Where did the matter for the big bang come from? How does a flower know how to attract a pollinator with colors and smell since every different pollinator is attracted to a diffrent color or smell or food. How does a plant know how to disperse its pollen or seeds by wind? Why is almost everything in the bible talking about the end times coming true? Why is christianity hated so much more than other religions that if a person has a picture of jesus in their cubicle or office they have to take it down or they will be fired but someone like a muslim can pray in an airport room or space devoted entirely to just that? I mean come on it only makes sense! There is good and there is evil and the evil is obviously trying so hard to keep christianity out but allows the other religions to stay in or become more powerful. i tell you I would not be a Christian today by listening to my parents or the preacher, tell you the truth, I don't go to church that much. But i looked into these areas and its common sense. But what really made me sure was the story that you will find in the article below. Hope this helps!

2007-04-03 22:15:23 · answer #2 · answered by und_ich_fliege 4 · 0 1

OK, but remember, you asked.

(1) Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence.
(2) The universe exists contingently.
Therefore:
(3) The universe has a reason for its existence.
(4) If the universe has a reason for its existence then that reason is God.
Therefore:
(5) God exists.

The argument from contingency draws on the distinction between things that exist necessarily and things that exist contingently.

Something is “necessary” if it could not possibly have failed to exist. The laws of mathematics are often thought to be necessary. It is plausible to say that mathematical truths such as two and two making four hold irrespective of the way that the world is. Even if the world were radically different it seems that two and two would still make four.

Something is “contingent” if it is not necessary, i.e. if it could have failed to exist. Most things seem to exist contingently. All of the human artifacts around us might not have existed; for each one of them, whoever made it might have decided not to do so. Their existence, therefore, is contingent. You and I, too, might not have existed; our respective parents might never have met, or might have decided not to have children, or might have decided to have children at a different time. Our existence, therefore, is contingent. Even the world around us seems to be contingent; the universe might have developed in such a way that none of the observable stars and planets existed at all.

The argument from contingency rests on the claim that the universe, as a whole, is contingent. It is not only the case, the argument suggests, that each of the things around is us contingent; it is also the case that the whole, all of those things taken together, is contingent. It might have been the case that nothing existed at all. The state of affairs in which nothing existed at all is a logically possible state of affairs, even though it is not the actual state of affairs.

It is this that the argument from contingency takes to be significant. It is because it is thought that the universe exists contingently that its existence is thought to require explanation. If the universe might not have existed, then why does it exist? The existence of things that are necessary does not require explanation; their non-existence is impossible. The existence of anything contingent, however, does require explanation. They might not have existed, and so there must be some reason that they do so.

The only adequate explanation of the existence of the contingent universe, the argument from contingency suggests, is that there exists a necessary being on which its existence it rests. For the existence of the contingent universe must rest on something, and if it rested on some contingent being then that contingent being too would require some explanation of its existence. The ultimate explanation of the existence of all things, therefore, must be the existence of some necessary being. This necessary being is readily identified by proponents of the cosmological argument as God.

HTH

Charles

2007-04-03 22:38:40 · answer #3 · answered by Charles 6 · 0 0

Mr NiceGuy,
If you need proof then you certainly are not a Christian. I would suggest that you take a look at what could have happened without GOD. Could tghis earth have been the exact distance that is needed from the Sun to keep it the correct temperature for our existence? Could the Moon have been the correct distance to cause the tides to occur whaic are necessary for our existence? What is the random chance that a single celled organism could ever have happened? now multiply that what about each and every animal that we have on this earth? What is the remote possibility that you and I could ever become a reality without divine intervention? I am telling you that there is absolutely no possibility of ecverything happening that needed to happen without our FATHER's Existence. I suggest that you begin reading, studying, and obeying GOD's HOLY BOOK. I would be glad to arrange for you to find a study group in your area if you would like. Just contact me. Have a great evening!
Thanks,
Eds, Mathemetician, Physicist, Teacher, and Christian

2007-04-03 22:11:21 · answer #4 · answered by Eds 7 · 0 2

No one can give you physical proof of God's existence, but in turn no one can give you proof that God does not exist. There has to be faith to a certain degree that is the biggest part of the christian religion. Except for one instance and that is the ressurection of Jesus three days after he died on the cross. There are many eyewitness tesimonies to his ressurection and you cannot try to say that the people were hallucinating because his appearance to each of them doesn't fit the profile of a hallucination in any way shape or form like how none of them recognized him but in a hallucination you ALWAYS recognize the person you are imagining there before you. But there I don't have enough time to show you all the evidence stacked in favor of God's existence.

2007-04-03 22:09:55 · answer #5 · answered by Brad 3 · 0 2

I can but would you listen. Or would you want something to hold in your hand or that you can see.

god has talked through my three year old when my wife and I were fighting. My son who never put a sentence together before, had speech lessons through out pre pre school, couldn't call his sister Katie he said "aie", and we also started him in kindergarten at the age of 6 for lack of verbal development, and he never said a word about God before. After all this when my wife and I were going toe to toe with insults due to the just pain we both had in our marriage he said and I quote " STOP IT! GOD IS IN YOUR HEARTS!" These words took every feeling of anger out in a split second and peace came over us. Goose bumps followed and we looked at each other and knew this could not of happened by my son alone. We sat at the dinette table and soaked in the experience. By the way I have more occurrences. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. My wife and I are doing great now it was 5 years ago.

2007-04-03 22:20:52 · answer #6 · answered by Dennis James 5 · 0 1

Here's how to find proof -- ask God to reveal himself to you. Ask earnestly and it will happen. Read His word, the bible. Pray.

Revelation 3:20 Look! Here I stand at the door and knock. If you hear me calling and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal as friends.

Note from NLT bible: Jesus knocks at the door of our heart because he wants to save us and have fellowship with us. He is patient and persistent in trying to get through to us -- not breaking and entering, but knocking. He allows us to decide whether or not to open our life to him. Do you intentionally keep his life-changing presence and power on the other side of the door?

2007-04-04 00:13:37 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I can suggest a derivative proof that works backwards, starting from yourself. You can start by asking why you exist, and why are you the way you are. What makes you human? Why do you have a moral conscience? What sets you apart from the animal kingdom? Given sufficient thought to it, I am sure you will soon see that there has to be a Creator.

2007-04-03 22:11:41 · answer #8 · answered by Seraph 4 · 0 2

Why would I try to decieve you and tell you there is God if I absolutely was not sure of it? What purpose would I be serving? See it from my side, why would I be lying to you? But it's not really about being right or wrong, because you just want to know, and that is admirable because we all want the truth. The truth is you first need to seek God to find him.

2007-04-03 22:15:05 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Look at the mericals around you ...
Scientist try to prove God is not real but they cant.
How can all the living things be so perfect?
alll of us have a heart, all of us have a brain, all of us have emotions... thats not just something that comes outta noware...
Its all common sence. Hes all around us!

2007-04-04 13:55:22 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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