Creation evidence for the creator?

Question

If a hive is evidnce for bees,a nest evidence for birds and a web evidence for spiders;why dont you accept the universe as evidence for God?And natural scientific processes isnt a sufficient rebutal;cuase then you have to explain where those scientific processes came from.

Again,weather the creator is immediatly present or not;is creation not evidence for the creator?

Answer 1

bees can't fly - it's scientifically impossible
Butterflies actually liquify and rearrange their DNA while in the cocoon to create themselves into an entirely different creatue....
Spiders webs are only sticky on the spirals... the spider has to be careful to only step on the anchor strands, or he/she will catch themselves in their very own web....

I believe God is the author of "natual scientific processes"

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blessings

Answer 2

We have DOCUMENTED and WITNESSED birds making a bird nest.

We have DOCUMENTED and WITNESSED bees developing a bee hive.

We KNOW bees and birds exist.



We have not witnessed the creation of a universe, and have ZERO evidence for god.


Damn you must have a strong grasp to be cluching at so many straws.



"Again,weather the creator is immediatly present or not;is creation not evidence for the creator?"

If you had no knowledge of what a bird was, and you came upon a bird's nest, would you assume it was created by god? Would you just start inventing animals to have created it?

All we know is the universe exists. We are SEARCHING for how it came to be.

Looking for a real answer is better than making up some bullsh*t gap filler.

Answer 3

I don't accept the universe as evidence for God, because there is evidence pointing towards something else being the cause. Just because we can't fully explain how the universe works (yet) doesn't mean we have to say a higher power created it.

Answer 4

You're just re-phrasing the "first cause" argument by saying that if there is a beehive, it was caused by bees. The "first cause" argument is logically fallacious.

Why?

If everything has a cause, then "God" does, too.

If something can exist without a cause, then it might as well be the universe as "God".

You want to try the "natural law" argument next?

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Y'know, if y'all just say "This is what I believe", there's really no argument to that.

It's when you start trying to make everyone else believe what you believe, or say that it's FACT rather than belief that you run into trouble.

Answer 5

A hive might be evidence of Bees, but unless you actually see the bees, the hive won't tell you very much about them. (Well, it might, in a CSI way.)

The Universe is evidence of a creating thing, but it could be God, or Shiva, or a wrinkle in Time space.

Answer 6

"If a hive is evidnce for bees,a nest evidence for birds and a web evidence for spiders;why dont you accept the universe as evidence for God?"

The thing about your question is this. People who think that a bird or a spider build their nests and webs because of some instinct that was brought about because of the process of evolution are not going to give God the credit for anything.

Look at how tiny a spider is and consider how small it's brain must be. Spiders don't teach other spiders how to build nests and yet they make these marvelous designs and evolutionist say "It's all because of random chance mutations and natural selection".

Yeah right! A one celled creature just mutated and evolved into a web spinning spider. How many stages did it take before a spider could produce silk? How many spider ancestors starved to death before they finally figured out how to spin a web? The whole theory of evolution is a big house of cards that amounts to fairy tales for Big people as it's is put in The Evloution Cruncher http://www.godrules.net/evolutioncruncher/c22.htm

1 - FAIRY TALES FOR BIG PEOPLE

"Rudyard Kipling, in addition to his journalism, adventure stories, and chronicling of the British Raj in India, is remembered for a series of charming children’s tales about the origins of animals. The Just-So Stories (1902) are fanciful explanations of how . . the camel got his hump (because he was always saying- Humph to everybody). Modeled on the folktales of tribal peoples, they express humor, morality, or are whimsy in ‘explaining’ how various animals gained their special characteristics.

" ‘Not long ago,’ writes science historian Michael Ghiselin, ‘biological literature was full of ‘Just-So’ stories and pseudo-explanations about structures that had developed ‘for the good of the species.’ Armchair biologists would construct logical, plausible explanations of why a structure benefited a species or how it had been of value in earlier stages."—*R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 245.

Times have not changed; in fact, things are getting worse. As many scientists are well-aware, *Darwin’s book was full of Just-So explanations; and modern theorists continue in the tradition of ignoring facts and laws as they search for still more implausible theories about where stars, planets, and living organisms came from.

Answer 7

We speak about a paradigm, a way of seeing reality. Reality is just all there is, which is a lot. Moreover you yourself are part of this reality, including our awareness of the whole of reality and of you yourself and your awareness. One can never find an answer to the question why there is this reality, and why we are here, and who you are you. It is not enough to " create" a Creator. The Creator is part of the whole mystery of reality, which in its totality is beyond comprehension. One approach to understanding is philosophy or metaphysics. Religion, however, also provides for a course of action, rituals, respect, a purpose, a sense of belonging, a way of relating to fellow human beings. Maybe not the whole of reality is evidence for the existence of God, but love and truth, and the existence of fellow human beings to whom you can relate, like our parents, your children, our friends. .

Answer 8

The metric system is most definitely demonic.

Signed

An Atheist.

Answer 9

But you see,so many things live in God's creation. Unless you believe that everything is God and God is everything,then this doesn't make much sense to me.
But nice argument though!

Answer 10

Because you're making an unfounded assumption that the universe needs a god...which is untrue.

So, who is god's creator? If everything needs one, he should have one too.