Question for atheists only?

Question

Is there anything at all , (even going into the realms of complete fantasy) that would make you believe in God?
What would do the trick??

A lot of folk are saying 'proof' or 'concrete evidence', please be more specific, what 'proof' or what 'evidence' would you accept?
If he appeared in your front room and made a human from a piece of clay would you really think this was God performing????

C'mon people there must be some thing in your thoughts that would make you believe? 'proof' 'evidence' doesnt cover it specifics please. What 'proof' would make you belive????

Even if you have already answered you can just click your 'edit' button and add some thing specific, please!!!!

BTW, the definition of 'God' can be found in any dictionary!

CD hardly the answer I was looking for ' assuming God is a male I take it you are a raving homo?? No I dont think your answer is getting us anywhere, but happy dreams, do you think of this often??? Ever tried for holy orders? You seem qualified!

OPM nice try so you are saying that a 'logical' explanation would make you believe?
Correct me if I am wrong but havent we had many logical (and generally accepted ) explanations of many things throughout the passage of time only to be found completly untrue at a later date?
One example springs to mind (I dont know why)?
Some very clever feller around Queen Vics time found that 90% of the inmates of lunatic asylums masturbated hence masturbation sends one mad. It was later proved that 90% of folk outside these instilutions also masturbated. Is that 'logic' ?

Yet another BTW!!
I am not trying to convert all you 'unbelievers' you are obviously all beyond redemption, I merely asked a question , you of course can feel free to ask any question you like on this catergory (within reason) !
Is this all youve got?? I really did expect more from you !!
Perhaps there was some part of the question that you couldnt understand?

Answer 1

No, there is no god, goddess, or other supernatural entity, end of story.

Answer 2

Well, the question is which, of many, gods are you talking about? If you mean a creator of the earth, then I would like to see some evidence that the earth was actually created by an intelligence rather than through the normal processes we see in the universe that don't require an intelligence. Remember that this type of 'god' can simply be an advanced alien species.

If you mean the creator of the universe, then you have to show that it even makes sense to speak of such a thing. To create the universe rquires talking about a time before the universe, but time is part of the universe! Otherwise, you have to show how there can be timeless causes and effects. I have seen no evidence of such.

Perhaps a message encoded in the cosmic microwave background radiation that could be decoded to ay something like 'created by Yahweh' would work.

If you mean a creator of the human species, you have to show that there actually was such a creature and give some evidence as to the methods used and the theory behind such methods. Remember that this type of 'god' can simply be an advanced alien species.

If you mean a giver of moral laws, you have to show again that there was such a being and that this being had the legal authority to give such laws. Remember that such a being can be an advanced alien. Also remember that there is no reason *today* to follow such a creature unless it independently shows its moral authority. Even if it was a creator of the earth, or humans, that would not give it the current authority to dictate laws.

Answer 3

In the physical record there are tons of data points that show we live in an undirected and undesigned system. Nothing seems to point in the other direction. Further, certain specific ideas in religion and in scripture in particular are contrary to known facts.

I will provide an example. Biological systems tend to exhibit failure rates exemplified by the "bathtub curve," in people this is called mortality and morbidity rates. The other things that exhibit this are objects designed by untrained or imcompetent people. Things by expert designers fail in completely different ways. If people were intelligently designed, or any biological system was intelligently designed, then you would expect failures to occur in completely different ways.

In all scientific disciplines, both social and physical, the data points to the universe being an undirected system with no intervention from outside the sysem. In fact, certain physical properties of matter cease working if there were in fact an all knowing or an ominpotent being. An all-knowing, omnipotent being would be very problematic for quantum physics because the data doesn't match that idea.

I would need an explaination of why the physical data does not match with an intelligent creator, or an omnipotent being (whether creator or not), or an all knowing being (whether an intelligent creator or all capable).

It wouldn't need anything fantastic, although I would ignore anything along the lines that Satan planted dinosaur bones in the record to confuse mankind. It would have to logically follow from the actual observations in the physical record.

The problem with the people who accept ideas like intelligent design is that they ignore these classes of problems, they also tend to present erroneous understanding of accepted theory. A classic example is the citation of the second law of thermodynamics as a case against evolution. What they fail to realize is that without entropy evolution should be impossible. They also fail to understand that a scientific law is a "rule of thumb." It isn't true, it is a rule that can generally be used in most cases and is close to the truth. Boyle's Laws are wonderful examples of chemistry laws that never actually happen but are always close to what actually happens. If you need precise estimates you could never use Boyle's Laws, but if you just needed in the ballpark, they are great. In economics, the Law of Demand says that as prices increase quantity demanded tends to fall. This is usually true. It is sufficiently true to be a scientific law, but it isn't strictly true. The classic counter example to the Law of Demand are Giffen Goods where as price increases, quantity demanded increases.

So, I would require a clear and concise explaination, accepted by the scientific establishment, and fully supported by the data and not just a segment of the data.

Answer 4

Drink up!
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An appearance by God would be an excellent start.

Haven't you ever wondered why that never happens?

Believers seem to think that atheists are terribly stubborn people, refusing to believe in god out of sheer arrogance. But of course they're not in any position to say that, given the fact that god simply hasn't ever appeared. How would anyone know how atheists would react if there really were evidence of the existence of a god? As far as I can see, atheists are really good at following the evidence - we're the ones, after all, who accept the obvious conclusion of the complete lack of evidence so far.

Answer 5

If he existed and wanted me to believe in him, he could simply make me believe. An omnipotent being would have no need for such crude displays as physical appearances and miracles.

As for that thing about lunatics masturbating, no it was not logical. Even if all lunatics masturbated and no one else, it still wouldn't mean that masturbating caused lunacy. You'll find that a large percentage of people with headaches take aspirin, that doesn't mean aspirin causes headaches. This is an example of someone jumping to false conclusions, it is not an example of a logical explanation later being proved wrong.

Answer 6

Yes. Proof.

Show me a square-circle, or make molecules really consist of unicorns. Slice a piece of bread in half and have the two lengths equal to the original piece. Divide a number by zero and get anything other than undefined. Make 2+2 = 5. Do something supernatural.

Answer 7

I'll be completely honest, I don't KNOW what it would take. I guess I would just know it when I saw it. I do know that I would have to know for CERTAIN that I haven't been drugged, or was hallucinating, or was having a trick played on me. If I SAW God appear before me, and create a man out of clay, then yes, I would believe.

Answer 8

God is fantasy enough. Something in the realm of Reality would make me believe in God. Something like concrete evidence.

Answer 9

Something that can not be explained by rationality. Also, it would help if the big man would just show himself. Why be so dam mysterious. At this point I would say nothing, because nothing like the aformentioned above is actually going to happen.

Answer 10

i will believe whatever there is rational evidence for. if jesus were to return today, once there was a sufficient display of supernatural powers, i would have no problem admitting that i am wrong and converting. you will find that it is religious people who will not take any actual state of the world into consideration, that is there is literally nothing you can do or say that will convince them that they are wrong

Answer 11

Something supernatural happening would be a start, but for me to narrow that explaination down to Capitol G god would be foolish, seeing as there's thousands of other supernatural ideas humans have put forward, and the infinite ideas we haven't, which could also explain.