A better argument for the existence of God?

Question

1. The world contains things that were brought into existence by some cause
2. Everything that exists is either uncaused or caused to exist by another
3. There cannot be an infinite regress of causes
4. So there must be an uncaused first cause
5. An uncaused first cause is (in part) what we mean by God
6. Therefore, God exists!
7. TKD540 is a genius

Answer 1

1 is false
2 is unproven
3 is flat out wrong
4 is flat out wrong
5 you are simply DESIGNING God
6 incorrect, this is an illogical progression of assumptions
7 no, you are not.

Answer 2

You don't have any proof of 1-7, at all.
1.) Duh, just because things were brought into existence by SOME cause doesn't mean that there's some guy with a beard behind it. It should be common knowledge, I hope, that everything you do will have an impact on earth. If you believe in fate, you're too naiive. You step on an ant, by chance. Not by the order of God.
2.) So? That could just be Nature working it's mojo.
3.) Um, duh. Like I said, everything you do has an impact whether or not you believe it's God doing, you're still the one buying someone else's bread.
4.)-(5.) An uncaused first cause? I thought number 1 said that everything brought into existence was by some cause..?
6.) If that's what you want to think, sure why not.
7.) Um, no.

Answer 3

Prove to me premise 3 is true.

A circle has an infinite number of sides. Could time, and thusly all things in it, be caused by each other in a circular fashion?

Also, in this argument time is being used (something happens which causes something else to happen "after" it), but what if an occurence happened (not necessarily the Big Bang) that caused time itself? Then it is utterly impossible for anything to have caused it because it was impossible for anything to come before it, as time did not exist. I am sure you know of the idea of "space-time" where space and time are continuous with each other. The above idea is therefore not inconceivable.

If you are going to say that something is at the end of that infinite regress you put forth, then you might as well ask what caused God? Why is this idea of God immune to the regress as well?

Unfortuneately, premise 7 is false in this case again. Sorry, you must be having one of those days ;p

Answer 4

I believe in God, but let's look a little closer at the logic. Is it possible that A is the cause of B, and that B in turn sustains and produces A. Example, an orange produces a seed, and a seed produces an orange. I suppose you could still be right, but I would just like to see your reasoning. I guess this describes a self-sustaining universe that has aways been here as opposed to an universe that was created and thus has a beginning.

Answer 5

hm...

1. Ya... evolution... the big bang... meteorites...
2. No... nothing is caused to exist, just to change.
3. You are right, but the answer isn't god. It exists because... (how do i explain it to idiots?) ... Once youo get your IQ beyond 2, I will explain it to you. Until then, lets just say BECAUSE IT FREAKI(NG CAN
4.God is not an "uncaused cause" (bad phrasing right there), it was caused by incompetent people.
5. cofcof see above cofcof
6. Therefor god is a picture that people cling at in vain.
7. THEREFOR "TKD540" is a ***** ********.

Answer 6

Consider this : An archaeologist digs deep into the desert sand and finds a piece of an old clay pot. After his investigations, this archaeologist can tell us, from this little old piece of dusty clay, so much about the civilisation that existed thousands of years ago that produced it; he can tell us about the types of ovens, temperatues, and dyes that they worked with, the raw materials that they used, and thus assess the level of their artistic skill and technological ability, etc. All this from a small piece of clay lying in the desert.
Did this archaeologist ever see the civilisation that produced this pot ?

How does he know that it ever existed ?

He knows because he saw that the piece of clay was produced by someone who designed it, and shaped it, and had the intelligence to be able to heat it and produce the pot, and not only that, they also had the ability to colour it and make it look beautiful.

Design ==> Designer.

To the archaeologist the existence and intricacy of the piece of pottery is conclusive proof of the existence, intelligence and ability of the people who made it.

Look around you: at the beautiful sunset on a summer evening, at the moon and the stars on a cloudless night, at the water that you drink, at the trees and how they grow from tiny seeds.

Think about yourself: your eyes with which you see, your ears with which you hear, your tongues with which you taste and talk, your hands and your feet, your heart and your brain.

Consider how these things are so complex in themselves and yet work together in such perfect harmony.

From the movement of the galaxies to the complexities of the interaction of molecules, from the dynamics of eco-systems to the intricacies of DNA, all lead to the obvious fact of the existence of the great Wisdom, Knowledge and Power that allows our Universe to exist and function.

To any perceptive person the existence and intricacy of creation is conclusive proof of the Existence, Knowledge and Wisdom of the One who creates, organises and sustains it.

Most people naturally recognise the existence of the Creator, and we find reference to the Creator in all cultures and religions. Even the atheists, communists and (disbelieving) scientists cannot avoid this reality, but avoid the term 'creator', for phrases like 'Mother Nature' and 'the amazing way nature has designed...'

How strange in the face of this, that many today reject the belief in the existence of the Creator. Perhaps this is due more to fashion and the desire to justify a materialistic attitude to life rather than real observation and comprehension of reality.

Something stranger still, and perhaps another reason for the trend to deny the Creator, are those who claim that a man, or men, who walked on the earth, breathed air, who had bodies and souls subject to the Laws of the Universe, are the Creator, or manifestations of the Self-Subsistent One.

This is of course a complete contradiction in terms. Something cannot be the Creator and created at the same time, needing air, food and drink and being self-sufficient, being temporary and eternal!

If you are one of those who believe that a man such as Buddha, or Krishna, or Jesus is the Creator and Controller, then think again.

We were created from a drop of despised fluid, in which was a microscopic sperm, which in turn fertilised a microscopic egg and we grew in our mother's womb in stages predetermined, over which we had no control. We came from our mother's womb, urinating and defecating, needing constant attention and care. Without food we will die, without air we will die ... and then such a one is God?

Indeed any intelligent person would recognise exactly how dependant life, the universe and everything is on its Creator. Our dire need for His help makes itself plain in times of great distress.

Imagine yourself in an aeroplane and you know it is going to crash...

Who do you turn to for help then ?

Or on a ship in the sea, thrown helplessly up and down by towering waves ...

There will have been a situation at one time or the other in your life when you called upon your Creator alone, forgetting everyone and everything else, hoping, trusting, wishing that the Being you know in your heart and soul that has power and control over all things would help you. The only One you know can save you!

Answer 7

4 is negated by 2

Answer 8

speak the truth, just like the first people ever, they had to come from somewhere, Adam came from God, and Eve came from Adam who was from God, so yes TKD540, you are a genius!

Answer 9

you do have the makings of high intellectual and cognitive functioning, perhaps at genius level

However, we can not use logic to induce or infer the existence of the Lord almighty...it is a matter of faith, as science will always try to disprove

your use of philosophic reasoning may be filled with sophistry, but yes I agree that there is a God!!

Answer 10

others have answered your actual "logic". so instead i will just ask why you feel the need to prove God exists? Isn't your faith enough? it is for most of you, maybe you're being a weak Christian. (apologies if you're not a christian, i'd actually be happy if that's true.)