I have a rational argument for God's existence?

Question

1. I have, within my understanding, and idea of God
2. This idea of God is the diea of the greatest possible being
3. A being is greater if it exists in reality than if it exists only in understanding
4. If God exists in the understanding alone, then a greater being can be conceived, namely, one that also exists in reality
5. But premise 4 is a contradiction, for it says I can conceive of a greater being than the greatest conceivable being
6. So if I have an idea of the greatest conceivable being, such a being must exist both in my understanding and in reality
7. Therefore, God exists in reality
8. And since TKD540 was able to put such a rational argument, he is a genius.

Answer 1

Who are you, smurfin' Anselm?

Answer 2

Yes, Anselm's Ontological Argument surfaces again! A neat little logical trick that means nothing. The word "greater" is not defined. Does it mean "better" or just "more"?

By definition, the one, true God must be the "greatest" (i.e. most supreme) thing possible. This is juxtaposed to the claim that reality is greater (i.e. more) than mere concept. These premises DON'T reinforce each other. The quality of supremacy does not exempt an idea from the burden of proof of existence. Otherwise, EVERY "perfect" thing would exist.

Answer 3

Not really.

God can only be all-powerful if he exists. If he doesn't exist then he obviously has no power, so it is easy to imagine a being that is more powerful than a being which doesn't exist.

Think about God. Now think about the greatest conceivable being. Very similar aren't they? They both have unlimited powers. In other words your not imaging a being more powerful than God, your imaging a being who is just as powerful as God. We already know one of those beings exists only in your head, so the question becomes, what about God?

Still, nice paradox. You are a genius, though not the greatest genius conceivable.

Answer 4

PLEASE examine!!!!!!!!! nicely we choose faith. in case you elect rational arguments i am going to provide you with some. let's initiate with the teleological argument. It says that some thing accomplished and designed shows data of a maker. layout implies a dressmaker. at the same time as some thing works, someone made it artwork. in case you observe a piano, you do not assume that an elephant bumped right into a tree the position someone became sitting on a branch and strings fell jointly and grew to change right into a piano. The teleological argument says that the order interior the universe is obvious that a very best intelligience, God created it. The volitional argument says that because guy faces a myriad of judgements and has the potential to make willful judgements, there might want to be someplace an unlimited will, and the international might want to be an expression of which will. the moral Argument states that the very reality all of us comprehend there is ideal and incorrect advise the will of an absolute popular. If some thing is ideal and incorrect, someplace there is someone who determines it extremely is which. finally the Cosmological argument is the argument of reason and result. It concludes that someone made the universe, because each result might want to be traceable to a reason. the reason for limitless time might want to be eternal. the reason for capacity might want to be omnipotent. the reason for righteousness might want to be holy. the reason for justice might want to be only. look, we are able to not see, smell, listen, flavor, or contact God. we've in problem-free words our faith and as more suitable data issues that the Bible envisioned have come to pass the same way as foretold. yet what about evolution. the position scientists there to verify us evolving from animals and monkeys and so on and so on. How about the declare that the international is a few thing aspect someting BILLION years previous. How do they instruct that? Did they see that? were they there at the same time as the international became created or formed? Evolutionists locate bones of dinosaurs and assume that they lived 1000's of thousands of years in the past. yet were their labels connected to those bones to assert how previous they were? Or on what data became that assumption depending? Regardless, would our lord god richly bless you.

Answer 5

Unfortuneately, your argument breaks down because your idea of something existing being more "great" than a nonexistent one is false.

I can conceive of a giant, perfect, black hole big enough to engulf the entire universe. It is a "perfect" black hole that I am able to conceive of. It would be much more "perfect" if it existed, so does that mean it exists? Since I am here typing this obviously it does not exist.

The existing black hole is not as great as the nonexisting one. So in all cases, "existing" is not grounds for perfection. One might argue that a nonexistent god is much better than an existent one, so it's all subjective.

Also, by your logic I should be able to wish anything into existence just by conceiving of it. I can conceive of an ice cream cone in my hands. The most perfect ice cream cone ever made. It would be much more perfect if it existed in real life, and yet no ice cream is poofing into my hands.

So I must regret to inform you that premise 8 is false? Sorry, I know how it is sometimes.

Answer 6

No it only rationalizes that God is an idea put forth in your understanding and therefore you must rationlize that it doesn't exist because it is an idea and not a fact. Creating a reality out of an understanding is called delusion and trying to turn that understanding into something bigger in reality is called extremely delusional.

Answer 7

It is quite easy to create any number of logical arguments for god's existence. Although I am not a great fan of your logic, I will make no attempt to refute it. The only problem is that logical arguments have zero relevance in the real world, and therefore your argument has zero potential reality value. Sorry.

Answer 8

Anselm was a mediocre thinker, and you're a plagiarist.

By the way....this, the best of all possible worlds must be made up of the best of all possible components, and thus the best of all possible participants here in Y!A - MOI, since I am the ONLY participant that I can prove exists.

And you're a fig newton of my imagination.

Answer 9

I just conceived of a greater god than your god. So there!

Answer 10

I was hoping I would FINALLY find someone who could prove the existence of God, but I was disappointed again.

Sigh.

Answer 11

You are entitled to an opinion.
You are not given any degree of accuracy as to your opinion's accuracy.

God is an imaginary entity, philosophy applied or otherwise.