Child molester victims - A price worth paying?

Question

Are the abused, raped, tortured and murdered victims of child molesters a price worth paying for whatever plans God supposedly has for us? Is their pain and suffering a good thing? If it was your child, would you feel happy and grateful that his or her terror and anguish had made a positive contribution to human development?

I think theists have an insoluble dilemma: If they believe in a benevolent deity then they have to regard child molestation as a bad thing because it is clearly evil, but also a good thing because it must necessarily be something that god wants to happen (otherwise it simply wouldn't happen).

Faerie: Any omnipotent and omniscient god must *necessarily* be responsible for everything that happens. If he chooses to ignore it, that doesn't make him less responsible.

Matt: If you don't agree with the dilemma then I suggest that it's because you don't fully understand the issues.

Nicole: Doesn't answer the question.

jan: If god allows it all to happen, then he is responsible, and must want it to happen - is it therefore a good thing? Don't avoid the issue.

Don: Then how can we say that it's wrong?

malak: So you're saying that it *is* a price worth paying for our free will, yes?

jan: You are also saying that it is a price worth paying for our free will, yes? Problem with that point of view is that if god has free will and freely chooses not to do evil then he could have made us the same way, but chose not to - therefore evil is his fault, so he *did* do evil in creating evil... a whole mess of contradictions.

Answer 1

That's true. You're absolutely right. They do have quite the dilemma.

Answer 2

As a christian, I gotta tell you this is the one worst crime I can think of. No, I don't believe there's anything good in it, and I don't believe God wants it to happen. It's the result of His giving us free will. If God intervened every time someone was about to do evil, it wouldn't be free will. So no, I don't believe its a good thing in any way, shape or form. I'm a nonviolent person, but to be honest, I don't think I'd have a hard time killing a child molester. I know its wrong, but I honestly think I could do it without remorse. On the other hand, castration, and not the chemical kind, might take care of the problem, unfortunately, that's considered cruel and unusual punishment. Our society seems to think we need to be kind in our punishments of criminals, unlike the way those criminals treat their victims.

Answer 3

I am Christian, and I certainly do not approve of, nor am I happy with child molesters.
I can't believe you actually think my attitude about them is that its okay because its in the plan of God. Thats crazy.
The plan of God is that each person, via free will, makes their ultimate decision on who they will follow. In order to make the plan work, it is necessary that God allow man to run things, and that He not interfere.
If God did interfere, you would be the first one to point fingers and say: "see that, free will is bullshit". Well, God will not interfere with those with free will. If the horrors of this life have you pissed off, then perhaps you need to learn the lesson that this is exactly what you get when God is out of the picture. Man does this, not God. And yet,
people still prefer to throw God out of everything, and the more you turn against Him, the more YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS GOING ON.
Christ will return and this time not to be crucified, but as a King and carrying a big iron rod. I assure you that things will get straightened out.

WRONG DUDE: IF I TELL YOU THAT I DO NOT APPROVE OF ROBBING BANKS, AND THAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO IT, BUT YOU GO OUT AND DECIDE TO ROB A BANK ANYWAY, WHO IS GUILTY - ME FOR NOT STOPPING YOU, OR YOU FOR ROBBING THE BANK?
and when it comes to the Word of God, I don't avoid any answers. The fact is, that this earth is left to man and its man who has the free will to either make it a good place, or a bad one. Men who make it a bad place, will be dealt with both by people and then eventually by God.
DO YOU FEEL YOUR MOM SHOULD BE JAILED IF YOU ROB THAT BANK? WHY DID SHE ALLOW IT? SHE KNOWS YOU, AND WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF, WHY DIDN'T SHE WATCH YOU MORE CLOSELY, OR CALL THE POLICE AND TELL THEM YOU MIGHT DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW?

Answer 4

What I don't do is blame God for my being molested. It was my now deceased father who was the one who decided to molest me, my brother, and my sister.

God gave Adam the choice. Adam did wrong with it. Adam had decendents that make bad choices. I am one of those descendents that also make bad choices, we are twisted at birth after all.

God didn't make us do bad things, He gave us the choice of doing things His way or our way. And you prove that you made the choice to go your way. How? By blaming God for what people like child molesters do.

You have the world that you want. The Godless one. He says that He does work in the lives of those who trust Him. Jesus preached the same thing when he refused to work where there was doubt. Basically He said, "Okay, have it your way. But don't count me in."

So if you notice sufferring, fix it your way. Ignore God and know that is to come when you meet Him.

You see, the matter that really counts to God and those that trust Him is His opinion on the matter. It's not as important that God's perspective doesn't wash with you, but that your perspective doesn't wash with Him. You simply don't have the authority, the power, or the vision.

So go ahead if you want to, deny Him in one hand, while saying that He needs to be there for you on the other. It's your problem, not mine.

Answer 5

God is omnipotent yes.

God allows humans to exercise their free will yes.

But God also warns them through messengers, to abide by the law of the lands.

Life is a test. A test of your human nature. If you fail and scumb to low desires, you fail the test. If you surpass your low desires and find enlightenement. You make it out there.

God did not just allow child abusers to walk the earth, He gave man the power to create something called the police and hunt them down for justice.

Without evil, goodness has no meaning.

And that concludes my lesson in Paradoxes 101

Answer 6

This question is for God to answer. I am a HUMAN and as such I would personally kill the SOB that messes with my kids! I am NOT a God and I am Not God-like. We are HUMANS. People seem to think that by saying we are Christian we are saying that we are God-like. Nobody knows why bad things happen, God tells Job that it is beyond HUMAN comprehension, I am satisfied with that answer and don't ask for the details.

Answer 7

So very not true! God does not want a child to be abused. He has stated over and over that any one doing such a thing will be in danger of going to hell. But that is the abuser's choice, the child he also cares about and if the child is subjected to God he will help heal the hurt that took place in the child's life. For those who were killed in such a manner he takes them to heaven.

Answer 8

Youre making the false assumption that God causes evil to bring about good and that simply isnt the case. When people choose to harm children, they are making that choice based on what is in their hearts; the desire to do evil, which is opposite of God.

God can use bad instances like death and turn it into something good but that doesnt make what happened "good." We carry no such dilemama.

Answer 9

I see no dilemma.

With the exception of murdered most of your first sentence applies to me. I see my entire life as being the perfect set of circumstances to lead me to where i am now.

If I could, I would not change a thing about the past. I would be to afraid that if I changed anything it might be something that led me to this moment where I love myself and everyone else.

I would not trade one moment of it for anything.

The gift of this life experience is proof of the benevolence of our source. It has been perfect.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 10

God WANTs children to be molested? So everything that happens is something he wants? No, no, no, no! So why did he destroy the world in Noah's time adn why did he destroy sodom and gomorah. That is not right. He is a redeemer, however, and he promises to turn something bad into something good if you are His.

Answer 11

There should never be a price to pay!
I'd say their God does nothing about it because:
1) he isn't loving and benevolent
2) He is a figment of their imagination.