Triunity? G-d-Head? How can "The Father", "The Word", and "the holy ghost" be a single entity?

Question

In the KJV 1 John 5:7 reads; For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Yehoshua bin Yosef al Nazareth spoke of his Father in heaven as his G-d (John 20:17), to whom he attributed superior authority, knowledge, and greatness (Matthew 20:23, Mark 13:32, John 14:28).

"But of that day or the hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13:32).

In Matthew 12:31-32 it is stated: "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in that to come." Hence, we may reasonably presume that Jesus, if he is to be equated with the "Son of Man" (John 8:28), is not of equal status with the "Holy Spirit"

Answer 1

Elohim is plural of El. Elohim (God) the Father (El), Word (El) & Holy Spirit (El).

Jesus is 100% Word/Son of God, and also 100% Son of Man/Humanity.

In Genesis, Elohim said, "Let Us make Mankind in our Image.". The 1st Adam was a body, soul & spirit. (When Adam sinned, he spiritually died. The wages of sin is death). So also Elohim is a body, soul & Spirit or Father Word & Holy Spirit. But the Word part of Elohim put on Humanity and dwelt among us. That was new 2000 years ago. In Jesus humanity he is a body, soul & spirit also. After Jesus Christ raised from the dead, God highly exalted Him with a name above all. That at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow & tongue confess, "Jesus Christ is Lord/ Yeshua Messiah Yahweh." to the Glory of God (El) the Father.

When Jesus talks about the Son of Man, He is talking about Him in His Humanity. He was a human anointed by the Holy Spirit as an example for us who believe in Him to follow after.

So, the same is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is using the name of the LORD God in vain. The iniquities are passed on to the 3rd & 4th generations of those who hate God.

It is written in the bible, "The Father, Word/Son & Holy Spirit.". So that is the order we pray over people, when baptizing.


St. Patrick expressed the Trinity as like the 3 leaf clover. 3 petals but one plant.


Thanks for your answer Schneb

Answer 2

As for the Trinity, read here...
http://schnebin.blogspot.com/2006/05/trinity.html

But I would like to focus on your reference in Mark 13.

"But of that day or the hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father"

How does Jesus not know when He is to come, but the Father only?
This is because Jesus was using a wedding idiom. Notice the disciples did not question what Jesus was saying. They knew what Jewish weddings were like, and they understood completely what He was talking about.
You see, when a marriage is arranged in Jewish culture of that day, there is a betrothal. This betrothal is as binding as being already married. This is what our accepting Christ into our heart is, a betrothal. The bridegroom gives gifts of promise that he will return, which is what the Holy Spirit is for us. When the bridegroom leaves, he goes to prepare a small house built onto the side of his father's house where they will live. Jesus said, "I go and prepare a place for you." The bridegroom continues to build under the father's watchful eye. The bridegroom cannot stop until the father sees that everything is perfect and ready. Then the father says, "It is done, go get your bride." The bridegroom then rushes out, at a time unknown to everyone else, and comes in to "steal the bride away" to the marriage supper that is being prepared.
So you see, Jesus was speaking in a wedding idiom so that the disciples could picture what the marriage supper of the Lamb was going to be. A wedding between He and the New Jerusalem--the Bride.

Answer 3

"in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." these words are part of the Johannine Comma, which are extra words that appear in 1 John 5:7-8. These words are usually absent from Greek Manuscripts and they are not included in modern critical editions of Greek text, or in the English versions. The English Standard Version states: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree." The trinity is a false teaching introduced to early Christians through the pagans. Most of all Christian beliefs and practices are pagan and not scriptural. The celebration of Christmas and Easter came from the pagans. The belief in the immortal soul came from the pagans. The symbol of the cross came from the pagans. Christians are not Christian because they do not live by the bible but by their own teachings. I believe everyone should question everything. Question what your minister, television, internet, family and friends tell you. Question Everything!

Answer 4

You are correct, how could they be the same being? They aren't. We as LDS (mormons) believe God, our Heavenly Father, His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct beings, one in purpose and love but not form or "entity".
We believe to sin against the Holy Ghost is to have a personal knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, then deny it. I believe the "rank" if you want, would be Heavenly Father (because even Christ worships God the Father), Jesus Christ then the Holy Ghost. They all three make up the Godhead and all have distinctive divine roles. We do not worship the Holy Ghost but have faith that He is our companion and comforter.

Answer 5

Yes, this blasphemy is the ignoring of the Holy Spirits prompting in your heart. The Holy Spirit works on the soul of every person in order to bring them into conviction and salvation through Christ. you will be judged, ultimately, for your responsiveness to him.

Answer 6

I agree :0) It makes no sense because they can't be!

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty?

Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

Matt. 20:20-23, RS: “The mother of the sons of Zebedee . . . said to him [Jesus], ‘Command that these two sons of mine may sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom.’ But Jesus answered, . . . ‘You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.’” (How strange, if, as claimed, Jesus is God! Was Jesus here merely answering according to his “human nature”? If, as Trinitarians say, Jesus was truly “God-man”—both God and man, not one or the other—would it truly be consistent to resort to such an explanation? Does not Matthew 20:23 rather show that the Son is not equal to the Father, that the Father has reserved some prerogatives for himself?)

Matt. 12:31, 32, RS: “Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (If the Holy Spirit were a person and were God, this text would flatly contradict the Trinity doctrine, because it would mean that in some way the Holy Spirit was greater than the Son. Instead, what Jesus said shows that the Father, to whom the “Spirit” belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of man.)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. So the truth here stated applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.)

1 Cor. 15:27, 28 RS: “‘God has put all things in subjection under his [Jesus’] feet.’ But when it says, ‘All things are put in subjection under him,’ it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.”

The Hebrew word Shad·dai′ and the Greek word Pan·to·kra′tor are both translated “Almighty.” Both original-language words are repeatedly applied to Jehovah, the Father. (Ex. 6:3; Rev. 19:6) Neither expression is ever applied to either the Son or the holy spirit.

So where did the doctrine of the Trinity come from? The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Answer 7

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
All God - but each part has a different function
3 in One

In order to help you understand this more easily

H20
Water =
fluid
ice
steam
all H20
but each has a different function

Answer 8

Quite possibly the Trinity was used to make Christianity more distinct from polytheistic religions at the time.

Answer 9

The trinity is like a clover. Small, green, and divided into three parts while still remaining together.

Answer 10

The same way you have an egg with a yoke a white and a shell. 3 parts of one whole. They can exist separately or as a whole.