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an immortal being who is not bound by time, spends 33 years out of an infinate number of "years" to pretend to die.

i forget. how is this a sacrifice? i mean i understand how when a human sacrifices his only life for another human its a sacrifice. but how is it when a god pretends to die, only to return to his immortal self, a sacrifice.

people have died for the causes of others, while god cannot die.

*shrug*

your "ultimate" sacrifice, isnt so ultimate. its absolutely meaningless.

(you will say, well god spent those 30ish years for ALL of mankind. so i will tell you now he could have just as easily snapped his fingers and done away with sin. unless you are restricting his powers...)

2007-03-30 10:24:08 · 18 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

cdiddy...

if i was immortal, and was beyond time. then i would be fine with spending 33 years of my INFINITE LIFE in pain.

i have spent days and days in physical pain, and i have a limitted life as is.

what would a speck of time in the infinite life be?

2007-03-30 10:33:03 · update #1

18 answers

God, who is not subject to time, is able to suffer infinitely in what we perceive as a moment in time.
You cannot understand because you reject the testimony of God concerning His Son, and choose to put more confidence in your puny little 3 pound brain that the omniscient Creator of the universe.
Perhaps you will be able to figure out how to raise yourself from the dead and give yourself eternal life in the few short years you have remaining.
"For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (I Corinthians 1:18)

2007-03-30 10:32:38 · answer #1 · answered by wefmeister 7 · 0 0

1) He did not pretend. He died. Just as when we die, His body separated from His Spirit. The body dies, the spirit lives on.

2) Imagine you are a man (go on...imagine). And you want to teach some worms how to live correctly (assume that you absolutely know how they should live). How do you tell them? Wouldn't simply assuming the form of a worm be a sacrifice for you? Once a worm, where you could feel the pain that a worm feels, isn't experiencing that pain a sacrifice...made for them, not you?

Going back to Christ's sacrifice, remember that His was a work of lessons. He had to teach us by doing. Show us how to live by actually living...and doing it right. Giving us an example.
Then, when He had to die, He did so in the way the people knew. They believed that you sacrificed an animal to rid youself of sins...the more pure the animal, the more pure the sacrifice, and the more sins were removed. Christ was God's perfectly pure sacrifice, and thus extended to everyone, for eternity.

As to "snapping his fingers," it would not have helped. We would have just been hip-deep in sin 30 years later. We needed a lesson and an example.

Hope this helps.

2007-03-30 17:33:14 · answer #2 · answered by Jay 6 · 0 1

The point is that the blood of Jesus is worth so much that it can pay the equal amount that Adam was worth before he sinned.

Unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place, the Bible says.

WE deserve eternal death for our sins. It is a gift that Jesus paid with perfect human blood the price to ransom us out of death.

It is like we are worth minus 1 cent. Add all imperfect humans together and we could never be worth the value of a perfect man.

Jesus was not immortal until he was resurrected. He was a perfect human who was dead for three days.

Jesus never sinned and did not deserve to stay dead forever. He tasted death for us. God raised him up. He can never again be a perfect human as he did give that up forever.

God says he is proving himself righteous, by accepting the payment, perfect blood which is equal to the perfect Adam's.

It is scary to outrage the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt by considering the blood of Jesus as valueless.

The Bible says not one of us imperfect humans could ransom one, but we cannot. We are not worth what a perfect human is worth.

I do not see a problem in appreciating this precious gift.

YHWH/Jehovah is the Creator Almighty God. Jesus is a Mighty God, Isaiah 9:6 meaning powerful ruler. Satan is also called god of this system at 2Cor.4:4.

God could not have done the wrong thing and forgiven sins by snapping his fingers, as he is perfectly Just.

2007-03-30 18:18:50 · answer #3 · answered by tienna 3 · 0 0

Actually, i think of it this way...

There is an intelligent, creative consciousness responsible for the existence of the Universe and we call it "God", "Allah" or whatever depending on our culture.

There is some sort of cosmic plan that will result in all of us - our consciousnesses at least - being reabsorbed back into that creative force. I'm not sure if it is because it is "God's" plan, or rather it is just an inevitable fact of creation.

This process involves mankind gradually and increasingly coming to better understand "God" and "The Plan" - and this in turn involves a huge number of tiny "course corrections" in our thinking. These course corrections either come from God or as a result of our own evolution in thinking - I'm not sure.

Christ's sacrifice is an example of one of these course corrections that was aimed at the Jewish culture.

They perceived that they were "bad" and seperated from God because of it, and that God was somehow mad at them. They had a written law that prescribed sacrificing animals in order to atone for this badness and get back into the good graces of God.

Christ's sacrifice then, was a course correction that was meant to put an end to the silly notion that God was mad at them, and that sacrificing animals solved the problem. The idea being that Jesus would be the "sacrifice to end all sacrifices".

So, after Jesus' death there would be no more sin and no more seperation and no more need for sacrifices. If people could grasp this truth it would move them forward along their spiritual evolutionary path.

So - the problem of sin was one of "perception", e.g. God wasn't really mad, we just thought he was. But the solution was for God to say, "Fine, if I can't convince you I'm not mad, I'll work within your system to fix your perceptual problem."

keep in mind that I don't know whether this solution then, actually came from the mind of God, or whether (according to the inevitability theory) it arose from our collective unconscious as part of the inevitable process of all of creation slowly but inevitably moving back toward the creative source.

So, rather than being the "ultimate" sacrifice, I see it as a course correction - meant to move the jews of that time, and western society going forward, closer to God by disabusing them of the notion that they are seperate from God because he is mad at them.

2007-03-30 17:45:57 · answer #4 · answered by rj 2 · 0 0

Hebrews 2: 9 & 10

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

He was made a little lower for us. We were to pay the price for Adam's sin but Christ was so gracious to take our responsibility and die a humiliating death. God does not pretend and while on earth He was 100 % man through the incarnation of His Son. And it was an ultimate sacrifice, He paid the ultimate for us and we should dearly love Him. O Great is the Love of God.

2007-03-30 17:31:49 · answer #5 · answered by stefan_lss 2 · 0 0

Simpleton. To fore-go the thoughts of the brain(flesh/temporary) and focus on the spiritual(higher principalities) is not as easy as you make it seem. Since, you seem to be comfortable in your flesh(temporary) right now, in your humble abode(temporary) making smart outbursts(temporary) against God(eternal). It's amazing how we can come from being a child to a certain age and have all the answers. The more I learn the less I know. (Because there are things yet to be discovered). Call me stupid, I believe this to be just the beginning. With Jesus' sacrifice; since he Didn't smoke, fornicate, lie, steal, cheat, drink until drunkenness, fight, covet, or didn't force the word on those who didn't want to hear it. I think he did an excellent job of sacrificing his body! Being as evil as I am, and have done the exact opposite of what he did. I can't hold a candle to him. He is the Lord. My Lord and Savior!

2007-03-30 17:39:43 · answer #6 · answered by chocsaltytreat 1 · 1 0

Wow, I think you misread your Bible. Jesus DID die. He was actually dead. But he conquered death, and rose again on the 3rd day. Why? Because He could.

As for Jesus choosing to walk the earth teaching for 33 years - because that is how long he chose to. How long will you walk with your followers, before conquering death?

And IF God snapped His fingers to git rid of sin - we would not survive that little finger snap. God is very clear about wanting to BE with us, He does not want to annihilate
us. He DIED, and Conquered death, so that we have a way to separate ourselves from sin, and can be with Him.

2007-03-30 17:47:10 · answer #7 · answered by Kemo 5 · 0 0

God could have snapped his fingers and done away with sin and if would have done away with sin then you would not have the capability of doing what you wanted right now. It wouldn't be allowed because God took away sin. God gave man a free will to make his own choices and let us decide what we want to do. Follow him or to do it by ourselves. If God didn't give us a free will we would basically be robotic. God would be thinking for us and there would have been no need for Jesus to die for us. God created us in his likeness and he realized that he made a mistake with giving us a free will and letting us do as we want because we have rejected our creator. He tried to purify the earth with the flood for 40days and nights with Noah. It didn't work. God has tried to find a way to keep us from being seperated from him. He gave us his son Jesus to come and walk the earth and to be able to experience life as we do to know what it is that we go through everyday in life. Jesus tried to teach us to live by the bible to overcome everyday troubles. Yet today we still don't listen. Jesus died. He may have been a deity because he was God's son, but God put down here on earth as a human. He could still heal and create miracles but he couldn't snap his fingers for his dinner to appear or float up to heaven for a nap. He was a human.
We had a man come to earth that we didn't even know. He may not even have known who we were or that we existed at that time. He gave his life for us to be able to sit here and discuss him on this computer. Jesus' died to defeat death and to save us from our mistakes. If Jesus was not here and he didn't die for us, you would have been punished by death for the first mistake that you made. You wouldn't be here. Jesus changed the rules by dying. He didn't come to earth as immortal but he will return to the earth as immortal and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
Without his sacrifice of his human life when he was here on earth we wouldn't still be here on earth in existance today and be able to do the things that we do everyday that are wrong. Do you wish that God would have snapped his fingers and done away with sin and know that you may not have been here today if He had snapped his fingers?

2007-03-30 17:41:35 · answer #8 · answered by busyliz 3 · 0 0

The ultimate sacrifice was not living on earth but experiencing separation from God. That is David prophesied and Jesus said said, "My God why have you forsaken me."

For all your futile poking, you are the chaff carried away by the wind.

2007-03-30 17:30:34 · answer #9 · answered by wassupmang 5 · 1 0

You are concentrating on the wrong issues.

The reason Jesus permitted himself to be unjustly put to death was to allow Satan to bring about his own destruction, as no one, not even the devil, had the right to take the life of a sinless man, let alone the only son of God.

2007-03-30 20:38:31 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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