Do you feel it is OK to go AWAL to avoid a deployment to IRAQ?

Question

I'm not voicing my opinion on this, I just wan to know yours.

Excuse my spelling, it was very late... UA, AWOL, whatever...You know what I mean.

Answer 1

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy" - Henry Kissinger

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"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." James Baldwin Biography - Essayist, Social Critic, 1924-1987

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“I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

The first people totalitarians destroy or silence are men of ideas and free minds." Isaiah Berlin (1909-1997)

“These are the men who, without virtue, labour, or hazard, are growing rich, as their country is impoverished; they rejoice, when obstinacy or ambition adds another year to slaughter and devastation; and laugh, from their desks, at bravery and science, while they are adding figure to figure, and cipher to cipher, hoping for a new contract from a new armament, and computing the profits of a siege or tempest.” Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

"The true civilization is where every man gives to every other every right that he claims for himself." Robert Ingersoll

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OK Enough of the adages.

During Vietnam we housed several draft dodgers and helped them to find their way to citizenship. This was because of the draft, however, so that changes things somewhat. These men had not yet signed any papers and refused to serve in what they felt was an unjust war. History has proven them to be correct. Deserters, however, were a different story in my mind because I believe a person is only as good as their word. Unfortunately, in the case of the military, these men have given their word to unworthy despicable masters.

Where I have changed now is that I see the men sent over to fight as victims. No more do I see them just as killers, I see them as victims of men not fit to clean their boots. Your question is timely because I foresee the return of the draft at some point in the near future as the military runs out of bodies to fight. I think the links I provide will give anyone considering enlisting something to think about as they come to a decision.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=46&contentid=4263&page=2

http://www.peaceaware.com/documents/war_profiteers.htm

http://judicial-inc.biz/Sunburn_Missile.htm

http://www.denniskyne.com/DU%20Photos.htm

http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

http://www.illuminati-news.com/solutions.htm

http://www.savethemales.ca/000357.html
American Troops are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq

http://www.savethemales.ca/000154.html
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Veterans.htm
U S War Veterans and the American Hypocrisy

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0328-11.htm
Support the Warrior not the War

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"One of the things that bothers me most is the growing belief in the country that security is more important than freedom. It ain't.”Franklyn C. Nofziger Press Secretary for President Reagan

"War creates peace like hate creates love" David L. Wilson

Answer 2

Desertion is still punishible by death.

Doesn't mean they do it but that's still an option. Going AWOL (away without leave) is never a good idea... not only can you be shot for desertion in time of war but other options include jail, fines and a dishonorable dischage which basically strips your future with employers outside the military.

If you or someone you know is a contracted service member than they need to honor that contract (Yes I know honor is a foreign concept to lots of people nowdays) -- you volunteered! Nobody forced you to sign up. SO now you need to follow through. The military isn't just for college benefits, a steady paycheck or medical benefits. But to "support and defend........" if you aren't willing to do so then you shouldn't have joined. Serve your time, suck it up and get out when you're through. But don't let you lousy attitude cost someone else their life.

See that's the thing, for every soldier who "chooses" not to be fully engaged in a war zone, at home or on the job in peace time there's another one who has to take up the slack.

Answer 3

It wouldn't be AWOL... it would be Missing Movement to Avoid Overseas Duty.

And NO, I don't think it is "okay"... it is a CRIME !! When we enlist or accept a commission, we take an oath and sign a contract.

On "moral" issues I ALSO think it's a crime and a failure... skipping out because you're "scared" or "don't believe in the war" is just horse-poop !! You're a coward and a criminal.

I deployed for the first Gulf War... it was a 12 month deployment for me... and I went to the Gulf once before and 4 times AFTER.

The People sign your check... follow your OATH and do your JOB.

Answer 4

No. The proper term is AWOL. This is more than AWOL. The military charge is missing movement which is a court martial offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

In my opinion once you sign your enlistment papers or commission papers, you have to obey all lawful orders. This deployment to Iraq is a lawful order.

Answer 5

It is never okay to AWOL (absent without leave) from the military. You are denying your own oath, you are leaving other soldiers in the lurch who are depending upon you
(which is cowardly), and you are denying your responsibility to your country.

If you do go AWOL then you should be prepared to take the consequences like a man, though the man who goes AWOL to avoid hardship and danger isn't acting a man's part in the first place.

Does that answer please you?

Hey Ho, Maggie!

Answer 6

Going AWOL is a violation of the oath of enlistment:

" I do solemnly swear that I..........and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

"Oaths are words we say to God"
Thomas More

Answer 7

Only if your word is not strong. Anyone in military volunteered.I joined After 9/11 and I am on my 2nd tour here.
So I dont advise it because going awol leads to desertion which is punishable by death during time of war, I doubt that would happen, but why risk it?

Answer 8

No. Once a person has taken an oath of enlistment, they don't get to make those choices any longer. They can refuse illegal orders, but cannot refuse deployment.

In a case of a draft, where a person doesn't want to be in that position, they can refuse the oath, and either flee the country they refuse to serve, or accept the consequences.

Answer 9

First of all, you spelt AWOL wrong. Second, no way. It is unacceptable. AWOL leads to court martial which leads to prison. All we are looking at in this situation is draft dodgers from the Vietnam War.

Answer 10

No. It's a cowards last act before he must go underground for the rest of his life. Anyone that goes AWOL (during wartime or not) should be castrated and dropped into the middle of the hardest maximum security prison in the U.S. where he (or she) will be the cell block bish for the rest of their lives. And all the inmates are to know that this is a coward of the highest degree, why he or she is there, and instructed that they may do whatever they want to this "person" except kill them. We want them to live a long life.