Once saved ... always saved?

Question

Christian opinion varies on this one. I figure if I am my fathers daughter that even if I never speak to my father again I will still be his daughter.

Agree or disagree? Provide biblical back-up.

John 3:15 says that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all and the promises in the bible would be in error.

John 3:15 says that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all and the promises in the bible would be in error.

Answer 1

I think that's a pretty good analogy. Israel was a "stubborn and stiff-necked people" that were still set apart from other peoples, and even though they had to endure His wrath at times, He held a relationship with them that others did not enjoy. David loved God's law, and sought after the Lord's heart. Jesus put that law in a different light, and I believe our relationship with God through His Lamb gives us the Father-adopted-kids life that Jesus meant for us to have. So yes, once saved, always saved.

Answer 2

No there is no "once saved always saved". You cant ask Christ in you life and then go back to your old ways. You are to change and be a beacon light for Christ. Not stay the same doing the same ole things like you did once before. What is that telling other people?? I have had this discussion with many people that believe once saved always saved and the answer I always get from them is that "well then you were never really saved".
No sin will enter heaven. We sin everyday that is why we should ask for forgiveness every day.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man having put his hand to the plough and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God.
Jeremiah 3:22
Proverbs 14:14

Answer 3

In the gospels Jesus is quoted as saying he would never leave or forsake us. He said he is the good Shepard whose flock knows his voice. He will always reach for the lost sheep. That is the Shepard's job. He said none can pluck us from his hand.

Once saved we are admonished by the scriptural letters of the apostles to battle against the flesh by walking after the spirit. This we should do. However, the same apostles tell us that if we confess our sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive. He is a constant sacrifice for us and both advocate and judge. When the accuser comes before the father to rehearse our sins, Jesus says, "Yes, but I died for him/her." The blood of Jesus covers our spirits like the blood of the sacrificial lambs in the old testament. At the final judgment, that is all that God will see and he won't deny it.
The apostles also say that God does not tempt us, but he always provides a way of escape. The way is always there, even if we don't immediately take it, though we should.
All of the bible points to Christ's redemption. Psalms said if we make our beds even in hell, he'll find us there.
He is able to keep that which has been committed to him against that day (the day of judgment.)
In biblical times a merchant would use his seal on goods that belonged to him. He knew what he purchased by that stamp and could redeem it at any time.
We have been sealed by the blood of Jesus. He will redeem what is his. Walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. It is a daily battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of darkness, against spiritual wickednesss in high places. The good news is that Jesus has already won the battle. Live for him. When you die you'll be with him. You have blessed assurance. God is not a man that he should lie.
God bless you.

Answer 4

This poses the response of, "what if I am saved, and then fall upon hard times? What if I am destitute and need to steal money to have food to eat? Or, what if I feel I am saved, and then go commit the sin of murder? Would I still be saved?
I think the final judgment of whether we are saved or not comes at the end of life, at the final judgment bar of God when we will stand and be judged of all of our works while here on the earth. Only at that time, when we have endured to the end, will we be judged according to our deeds while here on the earth. It if because of God's mercy that we will be in a position to be judged and not lying rotting in some graveyard for eternity. But it will be because of our works that we will be assigned a kingdom in the heavens.

In my fathers house are many mansions, ie levels of glory John 14:2
There are several degrees, glories, or levels that we will be judged to enter. 1 Corinthians 15:40-42
Be ye doers of the word and not hearers only James 1:22
Faith without works is dead James entire chapter 2

Answer 5

Yes, once you are a child of the Father's you are always a child, but children can run away from home and be lost.

We become children of our parents when we are born into a family. Spiritually, we become a child of God when we follow the Biblical plan of salvation and are "born again".

Notice, however, the prodigal son. He was the father's son because he was born into that family, but he chose leave the father. In doing so, he left the privledges and blessings that belong to a son who has a relationship with the father.

While he was gone, his condition was that he was "dead" and "lost". (Luke 15:32) His being a son did not prevent him leaving a relationship with his father, and thus entering a lost and dead condition.

There are many verses that talk and warn christians about the dangers of temptation and the posibility that one can turn their back on the gift of salvation. 2 Peter 2:22 describes it as a dog that has gotten sour food out of his stomoch returning to eat his own vomit or a sow that was cleaned returning to wollow in the mud.

The prodigal son left the blessings of living with his father to go his own way. When the son "came to himself" and repented (changed his mind about wanting to be seperate from the father which resulted in a change of action), he was able to return to the blessings.

If we turn our back on God after we have been born into his family, we will also be turning our back on the blessing of salvation. If we turn our back on god, we are rejecting the only source of salvation there is. (Hebrews 10:26)

If this is our condition, we can change our mind and actions (repent) and return to where we belong.

Answer 6

No I don't think so. The Scriptures read in Jesus' words "If you love me you will obey my teachings." Yes you will still be your father's daughter, but I think with Jesus these are different issues. He has ways that He tells us to live, and that we will also have a great white throne judgment day for all that we have done. He is a fair God, and wants us to live as a Christian. I can't imagine Him seeing us behave as we please all of our lives and looking at it and then saying we can enter into heaven. I think heaven is reserved for those who really do try to follow and love Him.
He always gives us a choice and never forces Himself on anyone. We always have a choice whether we want to follow Him or not. Once saved.....only if obedient.

Answer 7

Is it possible to love your Father and never speak to Him when He is readily at hand? I think by one author's account there are over 80 Bible passages in the New Testament that are unnecessary if that were true.
I recommend to you the book "Once Saved Always Saved?", by David Pawson. It can be found online.

Answer 8

The argument to that question would reside in:

Were you truthfully "saved" in the first place?

A person who the Holy Spirit dwells within, will do the will of God (not his own); just as the Spirit leads ---- where as someone who hasn't really got the Holy Spirit dwelling within will not.

"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— John 14:15,16

However, as most understand it: NO.
Because if we let Satan slip in, and guide our actions,thoughts,etc than we are NOT doing the will of God; and therefor "disobeying" God...

"but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matthew 24:13

(Notice, this implies that one must remain loyal/faithful to God and obedient "til the end" in order to be saved. Salvation isn't a meal ticket into heaven. One must work at it...)

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Philippians 2:12

Sermon over. lol
God Bless.

Answer 9

Hebrews 10 chapter 10 vs.1 Christ's sacrafice once and for all- The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow,a dim preview of the good things to come,not the good things themselves.The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again,year after year,but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.If they could have provided perfect cleansing,the sacrifices would have stopped,for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time,and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.But instead,those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year after year.For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.That is why when Christ came into the world,he said to God.
"You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings
But you have given me a body to offer
You were not pleased with burnt offerings
or other offerings for sin"
Then I said ,"Look I have come to do your will oh God-
as it is written about me in the scriptures."
First Christ said ":You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them.(though they are required by the law of Moses)_Then he said,"Look,I have come to do your will ."He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect.For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ,once for all time.vs.11
Under the old covenant,the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day,offering the same sacrifices again and again,which can never take away sins.But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins,good for all time.Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand.There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feel.for by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy.vs.15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies that this is so.For he says."This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day"says the Lord:"I will put my laws in their hearts and I will write them on their minds"Then he says,"I will never again remember their sins and lawless deeds".

So the answer to your question is Yes,once you are saved you are forever saved and are forever a child of God.It is not conditional or comes with demands or expectations instead it is unconditional Love and complete and total Forgiveness.Your Heavenly Father doesn't even remember your sins and he will place in your heart and in your mind all the Laws to govern rightuous living.You will never be abandoned or left behind for any reason.I think the people who would like you to think God can turn his back on you are those who have turned their religion into idol worship.Once that happens it is no longer God they listen to it's their religion.If ever in doubt read the bible and don't listen to what the false believers say even if they call themselves Christian.

Answer 10

I agree. Saying that you can lose salvation is making the false assumption that salvation is like catching lighting bugs in a mason jar. It's not. Salvation is a gift from God to us--there's nothing we can do to be saved, or lose our salvation. We are saved because God chooses to save us--not because we suddenly decide to be saved. And the great thing about salvation is that once Christ works in your heart and you are saved, you have the eternal assurance that you are ALWAYS saved.