First of all I respect all you COCers and this is not in any way a negative thing. Ok?....ok. I am SB. Recently saved & baptized. I believe in Jesus the Son of God, God the Father & the Holy Spirit, he died on the cross so we can go to heaven, saved by his gift of grace, confessed my sins, welcomed Jesus in my life/heart, got baptized & strive to live a Christian life/to bring people to Christ. Have you ever noticed every thing I just did is the same requirements COC has in order to go to heaven but they don't word it or say it in that way. So could it not be, that were both right? We're both inevitably doing the same thing to get to the same place but just don't look at it the same way?
I'm asking this because my family is convinced I'm going straight to the pits of Hell! We don't fight or argue about it but they calmly/graciously let me know how they felt because it was there obligation to do so.
What's your thoughts?
2007-03-29 09:26:31 · 9 answers · asked by Lakin J 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
That you are all very wrong.
2007-03-29 09:30:47 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋
I'm coC & while I am not southern Baptist, I know several. There are several issues where the two groups disagree. With reguard to baptism specifically, my understanding is that most southern Baptists believe that it is not REQUIRED for salvation while the Bible clearly states "He who has believed AND has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16:16)"
Here are some links to articles that found about this subject, too.
http://www.housetohouse.com/hth/biblequestions/archive/question0137.htm
http://www.housetohouse.com/hth/biblequestions/archive/question0138.htm
I hope all of this helps answer your question, because I believe that you are asking out of a pure heart. I will pray that as you study these issues with a pure heart that you will gain knowledge & understanding of the Word of God.
2007-03-30 08:18:43 · answer #2 · answered by SusanB 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
As I see it, the biggest difference between the things you described in the SB church and the COC is the point at which one is considered to be saved.
Jesus said, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16)
S. Baptists teach that a person believes, is saved, then he should be baptized. This is not the same thing Jesus said. It is not in the same order.
What would Jesus have said if he had meant "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"? I believe that Jesus said what he meant and meant what he said. I believe Jesus! "He that believes not shall be condemned." (Mark 16:16)
Baptists teach that one is baptized to become a member of the church. While this is a true view, they also teach that one is saved and in Christ before baptism.
The Bible, however, teaches at baptism, we are "baptized into Christ", into His body and we put on Christ. (Romans 6:3-4, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27) The view that one is already in Christ before baptism does not agree with these verses. I will discuss this more later.
Also, when one is baptized, he should be baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." (Acts 2:38).
"In the name of Jesus Christ" means according to his authority or according to his instructions. Jesus instructed that baptism comes before salvation. If you believe you are saved before baptism, then you are not following the doctrine (instructions) taught by Christ, you are following the instructions of men.
Many agree that baptism is commanded by Christ, but they say it is not necessary for salvation. Hebrews 5:9 says, “He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.”
Acts 2:38 says that baptism is “for the remission of sins”, “unto the remission of sins” or “so that your sins will be forgiven”. (Depending on which translation you read.) I Peter 3:21 says baptism now saves!
In the conversion of Saul (Paul), Acts 22:16 says he was commanded to be baptized and wash away his sins. Can we be saved if our sins remain? The blood of Christ washes away sins (Revelation 1:5).
Romans 6:3-4 says we are “baptized into Christ”. Can we be saved outside of Christ? (See Gal. 3:27 also.) These verses in Romans also say we are “baptized into his death”. At Christ’s death is where his saving blood was shed and offered for our sins. We must contact His death to contact that blood! Can we be saved if we have not contacted His death?
Romans 6:3-4 also say that at baptism we “rise to walk in newness of life.” At a birth there is a new life. Can we be saved if we have not been “born again” to this new life?
In the New Testament after Jesus gave the command about baptism, every example of a conversion specifically mentions baptism. None of these converts ate, drank, slept, or continued their journey until they were baptized. It was always immediate. None of these converts ever scheduled a baptism for a later date.
Saul who I mentioned earlier, spoke to Jesus. He called Jesus “Lord” and he asked what he needed to do to be saved. Jesus told him to go into the city and it would be told to him what he “must do”. In the city he fasted for three days and he was praying. (Acts 9:9-11) Many would say he was saved at that point, but he still had not been told what he “must do”. Then he was told to be baptized and wash away his sins. Please note, even though he had not eaten or drank for three days, he was baptized before he took food. (Acts 9:18-19) This shows the urgency of baptism.
After one believes, repents and confesses Christ, baptism is the point at which we come “into Christ”. The act of being immersed in water and rising up out of the water symbolically recreates Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. It is this way God has appointed for us to contact Christ's death and be forgiven of our sins. Baptism is “for the remission of sins”.
Please read the verses I have cited carefully. Don't try to see what a certain church teaches, see what the Bible says and follow the word of God!
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There are other areas where the Southern Baptists and the Church of Christ have doctrine that contradicts each other. The Bible, however, does not contradict itself, so if two churches contradict each other, at least one of them is teaching error by contradicting the Bible. We should search the Scriptures to see which one is true! (Acts 17:11)
2007-03-30 10:45:44 · answer #3 · answered by JoeBama 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
What does this have to do with the second longest bone (the first being the femur) in the human body??? And, why are you asking biology related questions in the R&S section?
Oh - because youre unedjamackated and religious. Thats why. And, youre wrong - this wasnt even remotely HUMOROUS.
2007-03-29 09:35:29 · answer #4 · answered by ? 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Jesus said the road to life was narrow and few are the ones finding it and the road to destruction is broad and many are those travelling it--Perhaps, you are both wrong.
2007-03-29 10:11:33 · answer #5 · answered by Sparkle1 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Apparently it comes down to every doctrinal belief yours vs theirs..
2007-03-29 09:43:20 · answer #6 · answered by 1saintofGod 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
All such lines belong to Satan. There's only one Body of the Lord Jesus---and its none of that crap.
2007-03-29 10:03:09 · answer #7 · answered by ? 1 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Isn't the humerus a bone?
2007-03-29 09:31:27 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
What does that have to do with the humerus?
2007-03-29 09:31:16 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋