They don't seem to get it.
2007-03-29 04:07:06 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
We don't have free will because every single thing you think is determined by your previous brain state along with sensory input. If your brain was put into the same state a second time, it would produce the same results each time.
2007-03-29 04:13:53 · update #1
Your thoughts are the result of chemical and electrical activity in your brain. As such, they are goverendd by the laws of physcis and are determined. There may be some quantum randomness but that does not equate to free will.
2007-03-29 04:17:23 · update #2
Divinity: "You" ARE your brain. Your brain makes the decision based on the laws of physics but you think it was "You" who made it. It's an illusion.
2007-03-29 04:21:14 · update #3
suprBobo: What are the flaws? In any event, there is a point because my doing this affects the input that others receive and affects their brain.
2007-03-29 04:28:13 · update #4
It is generally pointless to try to show religious people anything logical at all...........although occasionally one can be helped.
Normally, however, people have to reason it out on their own.
2007-03-29 04:10:48 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
That's your choice.
Or maybe you are compelled to do it.
Free will is like a muscle, exercise it. You have more choice than you think but you also have to willing to take risks and accept loss. Most people would rather eat chips and watch TV. We all have muscles but it isn't always obvious when they're hidden under a layer of fat.
Free will isn't choosing an imported car over a domestic one. Real free will is creating a life, a life worth living.
Living with free will is far from easy. It can be painful, lonely and hard. It's totally out of fashion with the ethos mass culture.
Show the world what you believe by living your beliefs. If you think there is no free will then be a drone, be a sheep, stay in the herd.
But I guess it is pointless to try and convince others there is no free will, at least pointless for those of us who can't live without it.
2007-03-29 11:32:51 · answer #2 · answered by brianjames04 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You've got to have scrambled eggs for brains if you don't see that if people do not have free will neither does even an atom or its constituent parts have it!
It would demand a universe written in cement from the start of the BOOK to the end of the BOOK because that would be what it would equal.
Anyone writing such a book would himself be insane. It's author would be an insane god with stick figures acting as his Son, his angels, including everything else existing down to the last proton!
The claim that such a god could be a god of love would be ridiculous since he would be loving non-living matter.
2007-03-29 11:16:03 · answer #3 · answered by Fuzzy 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes. Neither free will or pretestination can be proven or even measured. They are both philosophical concepts and nothing more. You might as well ask how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Case 1: Predestination is right - I choose to make a cup of tea because it is preordained or the conditions are set that I want a cup of tea.
Case 2: Free will is right - I choose to make a cup of tea because I want a cup of tea.
In both cases, I desired a cup of tea so I made a cup of tea. It tasted exactly the same, I used the same method and ingredients. There is no difference whatsoever in the outcome.
2007-03-29 11:10:35 · answer #4 · answered by Dharma Nature 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Church-Turing Thesis has flaws when applied to our current state. I don't believe we are input-output alone. It may describe parts and pieces however.
If you truly believe that CTT is the accurate descriptive theory, why try to convince people that they have no free-will? Why argue any point, if it is already determined what each individual is to believe?
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Sorry its taken so long to respond to your question - Turing showed that the 'halting problem' is unsolvable - so the CT machine cannot solve all recursive functions. Also, their is the possibility of the non-recursive function. In addition, what does the CTT do to address the impact of human emotions on decisions?
2007-03-29 11:25:04 · answer #5 · answered by super Bobo 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Our instinctual internal perception leads us to believe that we have free will. So trying to convince people that free will is an illusion is a hard sell. Of course, our instincts and internal perceptions are not very good tools for finding philosophical objective truth. When I think about this debate logically, I reach the conclusion that actual free will is not possible in a causal universe.
2007-03-29 11:12:33 · answer #6 · answered by Subconsciousless 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Well, sort of. They will not trust your word on it. You would have to be or have them consult a neurologist or bio-psychologist in order for them to understand the mechanisms of the human brain. There is no soul.
Brain=behavior=personality=hormones, neurotransmitters, chemicals, etc. The human brain is strictly physical, there is no magical ingredient that is labeled 'free will'. There is a colossal amount of factors that go into the exercised behavior of a person. And free will isn't one of them.
Our consciousness is merely a window that allows us to view the complex processes of our brain in a comprehensible manner. There in fact is no 'I', 'me' or soul that makes decisions behind a control panel with a execute button in front of them. Most people are uneducated on the topic, or just don't understand it. They would have to research and learn for themselves.
2007-03-29 11:18:02 · answer #7 · answered by Oshihana 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God's predestination does not mean that we cannot make free will choices. God predestines in and through our choices because God is all knowing and all powerful. He knows what we will do because he knows all things. He cannot not know all things. So, whatever you choose to do out of your own free volition is known. But his knowing doesn't mean you don't free choose.
An illustration would be that I could arrange for my child to choose ice cream over something else and not violate his free will. For instance, I could put a bowl of chocolate ice cream and a bowl of dirt and rocks in front of my child and I know exactly which one the child will choose to eat. But my knowing does not violate my child's free will.
2007-03-29 11:14:25 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
If we have no free will then how can we choose to beleive you, or does are brain simply choose for us? If so then whos to say it will choose to make us realize that we have no free will. Therefore I think it would be pointless.
Oh well as long as I am happy, I guess it doesn't really matter.
2007-03-29 11:18:20 · answer #9 · answered by divinity2408 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
People have free will. If I wanted to go jump in front of a car I could. Therefore, I have free will. Now what on earth are you talking about?
2007-03-29 11:09:50 · answer #10 · answered by Bl3ss3dw1thL1f3 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It is pointless regarding me. I have heard the arguments. I don't buy it. I know I have free will and a consciousness. I exercise it frequently. Like answering this question for example.
2007-03-29 11:12:37 · answer #11 · answered by Gorgeoustxwoman2013 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋