Do you support the deportation of Arab Israelis?

Question

I think allowing a million Arabs Israeli citizenship and/or permanent residency is mostly a one-sided token action, you know? It's not a token action Arabs gave Jews back in the Jewish exodus from Arab lands, during which also a million Jews who'd been living in Arab countries for millennia were harassed and persecuted into leaving. Nor is it a token action the Arab Palestinians gave the Israeli settlers in Gaza who were forced to evacuate by the Israeli Defense Force as a condition for peace. Nor, for that matter, is it a token action they're going to give the Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. There's no moral reason why Israel should allow all its Arabs to stay, but I don't support their deportation, because that kind of brazen human rights abuse is something Arabs do, not something Israelis should do. However, I do support the deportation of Arab Israelis who are or are supporters of extremists, just as they deport certain people in the West.

And I say that last bit because I've never known an Arab Israeli who was loyal to their country. The ones I know identify themselves as Arab Palestinians, not Israelis, and they're religious Jew hating Muslims who believe Israel is a quasi-state with no right to exist. One had an anti-Jewish hadith in her display message and pictures of Nussrallah and Yasin in her display picture on Windows Live Messenger.

But since the creation of Israel the Arab Jewish population has decreased from a million to a maximum of twenty thousand. That's ninety eight percent! If there are so few Jews in twenty two Arab countries, why should there be so many Arabs in a country as small as Israel?

Aussie, I'm OBVIOUSLY not talking about the exodus of the Israelites led by Moses from Egypt three thousand years ago. I'm talking about. I'm talking about the discrimination, harassment, persecution, and property confiscation that encouraged about nine hundred thousand Arab Jews to leave their homes during and after 1948. That event is known as the Jewish exodus from Arab lands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

As for East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank, these were lands acquired by Israel in a war of self-defense. Many Arab actions led to the Six Day War, namely the Egyptians breaking the Treaty of Constantinople by closing the Strait of Tiran to Israeli ships, the Egyptians breaking the treaty that ended the Suez Canal War by removing the UN Peacekeeping Force from the Sinai, the Egyptians mobilizing troops near the Israeli border, the Headwater Diversion Plan to cut off a third of Israel's water supply, and the Syrians organizing border raids and supporting Palestinian fidaa'iyeen. If we still call these territories Palestinian land where no Israelis belong, why should we allow a million Arabs of Palestinian descent who consider themselves Palestinian to live in the 8,000 square miles of Israel proper?

"Israel is a state born out of terrorism (the Lehi and Irgun)"
Hagana, Irgun, and Lehi were all Jewish militias created to counter attacks by Arabs. Arabs wanted no more Jewish immigration and no Jewish state, and there was heightened anti-Semitic sentiment, that all led to attacks on Jews (the 1920 Palestine riots). Hajj Amin Al-Husseiny, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who died in the 1970s, spearheaded these campaigns.
You can talk about the assassination of the British minister by Lehi, the planned bombing of a mosque in LA, or even the killing of 20 Palestinians by Baruch Goldstein but the fact is that there have been very few instances of political violence or terrorism in Israeli history. On the other hand, these are tactics Arabs know all too well.

"Expanded by genocide and ethnic cleansing and maintained by the American tax payer"

It's not genocide. It's political relocation. The UN Partition Plan of 1947 was for Israel to occupy 56% of what was left of the Mandate (60% where Jews were a majority) and Palestine to occupy 44% (where Arabs were a majority). Both territories would have fixed populations of Arabs and Jews. Israelis accepted this proposition, Arabs rejected it. This is what the Secretary General of the Arab League said on the eve of the 1948 invasion of Israel by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq: This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Hassan_Azzam
It's very strange to accuse a state with the greatest racial and religious diversity in the Middle East of ethnic cleansing, don't you think? Israel is only 80% Jewish. It has Jews, Bahais, Druze, Muslims, and Christians.

"The cries of the dispossessed Arabs that exist in what are little better than prison camps are drowned only by the moans of the hypocritical Israelis and their supporters who continually milk the Jewish Holocaust to justify policies that could have been inspired by the Nazis."
Excuse me, but I think political correctness does much more to serve Muslims than Jews complaining about the Holocaust. These "dispossessed Arabs" were on their way to having their own state just ten years ago, after the Oslo agreements, when they decided to start the Intifada, then voted for Hamas. The Ehud Barak plan was to give Arafat 95% of the West Bank, all of Gaza, areas of East Jerusalem for a capital, joint administration of the Temple Mount, and generous Israeli aid by 2000, and Arafat said no. The League of Nations supported the partition in 1922. The British tried to arrange a partition in 1937. The UN created a Partition in 1947.

Each and every time, the Arabs said no. As long as there exists a Jewish state in the ME, these Arabs will consider themselves 'dispossessed' because they want Israel destroyed. And even after so many mishaps, the majority of Israeli voters still support a phased withdrawal from the disputed territories. Political violence hasn't served the Arabs well, wouldn't you say?

"Actually their are a lot of Arab Israelis that are very supportive of the State of Israel as it is. Namely the Druze."

There are Arab Israelis who are supportive of the State of Israel, but certainly not many. Consider that military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews and Druze, and voluntary for Arab Israelis, and only about 120 a year volunteer. The Druze, however, are another story. They have never been anything but loyal. In the Lebanon War an all-Druze division killed 25 Hezbollah militants and suffered no casualties. When I speak about the Arab Israelis, for the most part, I distinguish them from the Druze.

I said I don't support the deportation of ALL Arab Israelis simply based on their being non-Jews. That's atrocious. But Arab Israelis who deny Israel's right to exist, hate Jews, support extremists, and are only living in Israel because they are economically and politically much better off should certainly be asked to leave.

Itay your answer hit the spot. I completely agree.

Answer 1

At the end of the day, the Israeli Arabs' homes are in Israel too. We may not see eye to eye on most issues, but so long as they don't threatent our security and sovereignty, I see no reason to go to such extreme measures. And remember, not all Israeli Arabs can be lumped together. Some, such as the Druze and the Beduin and some Arab Christians, have good relations with Israel, so it wouldn't make sense to betray our friends (and we do need to reach out to them more and work towards improving their quality of life--- the last thing we can afford to do is to lose the few friends we've got).

That being said, I foresee the time when Israel will have to adapt its political system to the changing sociopolitical climate and revoke some of the rights of some segments of the Arab population (i.e., deportation).

EDIT: Subhan, you're a no-nothing. Turn off al Qaida TV and come and see Israel (and all the alleged wanton killing) yourself. If you find that Israelis are strangely normal and hospitable and open-minded, it might not be such a strange thing.

Answer 2

The reason for the conflict between Israel and the Arabs is that the Arabs, plain and simple, refuse to accept a Jewish state in their midst. They invented this whole idea of a "Palestinian people who deserve a state" just to use as a tool to dismember Israel.

Arab violence against Jews has been going on long before there was an occupation, long before there was a refugee problem--indeed, long before there was a political Zionist movement. Need I present more painful examples? Perhaps even further back, where I hope everyone will agree that the Zionist movement did not yet come into being:

In the centuries after Muhammad there have been periods when the Jews were able to live in relative peace under Arabs, but their position was never secure. They were generally viewed with contempt by their Arab neighbors, and their survival was always predicated on their abject subordination and degradation to them. Mass murders of Jewish "protected people" started in Morocco as early as the eighth century, where Idris I wiped out whole communities. A century later Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews (setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany), and synagogues were destroyed throughout Mesopotamia in 854-859. In Tripolitania, Jews were considered the property of their Arab masters, who would bequeath the Jews to their heirs upon death. In the 12th century, after anti-Jewish riots, the contemporaries commented that their population had 'greatly declined.' ( Middle East Digest, September 1999)

As to how to solve the problem, the only way would be for Israel to defeat the Arabs overwhelmingly, and then dictate the terms for peace. Otherwise, the Arabs will never stop trying to destroy Israel.

Answer 3

Israel is a state born out of terrorism (the Lehi and Irgun), expanded by genocide and ethnic cleansing and maintained by the American tax payer. The cries of the dispossessed Arabs that exist in what are little better than prison camps are drowned only by the moans of the hypocritical Israelis and their supporters who continually milk the Jewish Holocaust to justify policies that could have been inspired by the Nazis.

Answer 4

Actually their are a lot of Arab Israelis that are very supportive of the State of Israel as it is. Namely the Druze.

As for other Israeli Arabs I am sure that many act as a fifth column, but they are not all that way.

But to answer your question I support the for the government of Israel to financially encourage the Palistians to move out of the West Bank. As for the Arab Israelis no I do not support doing that.

Answer 5

No matter what, Muslims are not going to support Israel, period. Those that happen to work or live in Israel do so to take advantage of the better life that is offered in Israel. But when it comes down to loyalty to Israel as a country, you will not EVER see a Muslim do it. As you said, they will associate with the so-called "Palestinians" or other Arabs in the region.

Any Muslim who openly supports terrorism should be deported from Israel, or even arrested. As for the rest, I don't really want to see displacement. But if it comes down the the national security of Israel, if deportation is necessary, then by all means, do it.

Answer 6

What a biased view you've got ! No wonder that part of the world can never have peace .Your distorted view of history is so inaccurate that you can't be taken seriously ! The million jews you talk about WANTED to leave Egypt you fool & Pharoah had to be persuaded by plagues etc brought on them by God to let them go . The Israeli " Settlers " shouldn't have been there in the first place ...it was Arab land that they appropriated !! Your biased view of the situation does you no credit .

Answer 7

Hi i am subhan from india we muslims really love humans but it is ordered to us that we overcome those who spread mischief in the land as israeltes doing so i dont know how their hearts came up to killed innocent and poor muslims in palastin they are openly killing them very illegally only just because they hate them and they knew the realty of muslims that they are the only true people on the earth and they can invade all over in the world because they are on the right path and true believers of the God so they just afraid of them and wanna kill them.