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I can't see God, But i see his signs, like this entire universe, like when i look at myself. I didn't (nor did the universe) appear just like that. There must be a creator. For example, when you see a chair in the middle of a desert, as a logical person, you believe that this chair was made by someone, it can't just pop like that for no reason!!!
The same applies to this universe. It was made by something, something that is no Human, because humans themselves are a part of that universe.

I am not a christian, but very close to them. Muslims share lots of things with christians.

Am I right? does this make sense to you? if it doesn't please tell me why.

Thanks Don P,

I agree that the chair existed before in a different form (if that's how you wanna put it), but the thing is that the chair is made out of something else, not from nothing. and that's exactly my point. I believe that God is the only one who create something out of nothing. But us humans, we can only create something out of something else.

when I look at it at a logical way, i would never believe that this big bang just occurred by accident. And that cycle you are talking about (Universe cycle) may e something true, i am no scientist to prove or disprove this theory, but this cycle, logically, does not involve humans. I mean that God may have created this cycle, but someone had to put humans in it, and specifically on earth (i.e. this is planned for, its not all random, and there has to be a power out there that did all of this. Our minds may not be able to digest all of this imagination all at once, so that why i guess God has sent us guidance (to me: Quran).(out fspace

yes, so we are sent these books from the creator so that it helps us imagine what is going on. I don't know if you have read the Quran, but I really encourage you to do so. And i would never suggest to anyone to believe in anything blindly. or tell people to take as it is. To me, every thing is explained to me. i think about them, i see if ideas are logical, and are reasonable, and so far i found everything satisfying. And sometimes I think that there are so many endless theories that you have to have this guidance to help you out with your quest! It helps me eliminate many things.

I speak arabic, and i do fluently. When I read the Quran, i KNOW (not believe) that there is no way that this book is written by a human being. (the fact that in the quran it self, there are scientific facts that were only dicovered a couple of years ago.) Therefore I would Believe that the power that has created me gave me this guidance to help me out. what do you think?

(btw, i have proof from Quran)

Answer 1

Excellent analysis! In fact, I'd even go futher. It's like walking on a beach and finding a running car There are so many amazing gears and mechanisms that have to cohesively work together to make a car even hypothetically run, but to have the keys in the ignition and the car running. Well, any logical person would say that there must be a builder to such a complicated bit of machinery. Now take the human body- something infinitely more complicated than a mere vehicle- and place it out in the vast expanse of space on a small little rock that just happens to be at the precise location where essential items for life (such as water and air) are plentiful. To say that is merely coincidence goes directly against the grain of reasoned analysis.

Answer 2

It sounds like you are sincerely seeking answers to questions in your own mind, or having doubts and therefore trying to prop up your belief in God. I will answer you just as sincerely and respectfully, too.

Your question represents one of the oldest, weakest and least informed arguments against evolution, also applicable to the creation of the universe itself. It is what I cal the "watch parts in a dryer" argument. The logic goes, take a watch apart, throw all the gears, springs, screws, etc. into a clothes dryer and turn it on. Let it run forever, and the parts will still never fall together in just the right order to re-create the watch.

Here are some falacies about that argument: First, it is wrong on the face of it. If the dryer ran forever, for eternity, leading to an infinite combination of the parts, at some point the original watch would indeed be recreated.

Second, it assumes that the watch is the intended result. Relating that to evolution, it assumes that evolution entails an explicit goal of creating human life, which it did not and does not.

There are several other reasons this is false, but you can read about them elsewhere. Your question was not explicitely about evolution, and my point is not to defend it.

But as to your question - to summarize, you ask "how could the Universe just appear out of nothing? It had to be made by someone, so doesn't that prove the existance of a supreme being?"

Again, your question sounds very logical, but it makes certain assumptions which are not necessarily true. One such assumption is that the universe was created in the first place. We humans, given the limited time span of our lives and our history, find it difficult to conceive of something that has no beginning and no end. The only thing we grant those attributes to is God, in whatever form you believe in Him.

But what if the Universe itself is eternal? In your example of the chair in the desert, there was no chair and then there was one. Yes, that implies an intelligence that built it or at least placed it there. But before the chair was there, it existed, not as a chair, but as wood from a tree (assuming a wooden chair, of course). And before that tree, there were molecules of nitrogen, carbon and other molecules in the air and soil, and energy from the sun. So where you see a chair as having been "created" there in the desert, it actually existed long before you saw it, before it became a chair. And it will still exist long after the chair is gone, long after the Earth is extinguished in billions of years when our sun goes nova. And the same is true of all of the molecules in your body.

But the point is, the chair has always existed in one form or another, right from the beginning of the Universe. But what if the Universe itself had no beginning. What if it is the Universe itself, not some ethereal being, that is eternal?

We know now, without a doubt, that the universe has evolved from an initial "big bang" when the entire universe was contained in a sub-microscopic "singularity," a single geometrical point, and has expanded since that time. That raises the question, "didn't some intelligence have to create that initial point?" Not necessarily...

The laws of physics as we know them break down at the level of the first few microseconds of the big bang, so we can't really say if that singularity was created, or if it always existed. One day we will most likely have that answer, just as we have solved so many other mysteries of creation. But here is one possibility:

We know that the Universe is expanding. The scientific community speculates on whether the Universe will go on expanding forever until eventually all the atoms in the Universe are so far apart that they will no longer interact and will lose all their energy ("the big freeze"). The other possibility is that there will be enough matter in the Universe, and gravity will be strong enough to eventually pull it all back together until it combines to create first a massive black hole and then a singularity, just like the one from which the Universe initially sprang ("the big squeeze"). In that case, the Universe may spring back into existence once again, and once again there will be a moment of creation, a new universe perhaps with different physical laws. This could go on forever in what is called the "oscillating universe" scenario.

So it is possible that God does exist and that He (assuming a gender, here) created the Universe, perhaps even in a way similar to that described in the Bible (or as described in other religious mythologies). It is just as possible that the Universe, not an invisible God, is an eternal entity, and thus there would be no moment of "creation" as described in various mythologies.

There is a scientific principle called "Occam's Razor" which states that if there are two equally possible valid explanations of a phenomenon, the one most likely to be correct is the simpler of the two, the one which requires the least speculation. Given the possibility that the Universe always existed, and the physical evidence that supports it, versus the possibility that there is an eternal intelligent being who magically spoke everything into existence, the first is a much more logical and less speculative explanation of existence. That is why it is true that the more science discovers, the less we need religion to explain the previously unexplainable.

I hope this answer helps you in your quest as much as it has helped me to rethink the relationship between religion, logic, reason, and science. Good luck to you in your quest, wherever it may take you.

Answer 3

Well... actually this doesn't make sense because I know man can make a chair. I can go and watch him do it if I want to. We do not know of any being that made the universe, there is no proof. Just because something is complex doesn't mean it was created by god. Evoultion explains the complexity of living things very well. As to how the first living thing got there... well.. nobody knows-but that doesn't mean we should assume "god". Also, according to your logic, complex things have to be "made" by someone. So if "god" made the world, who made god? Surely someone who is complex enough to create our universe must have been created by something even more complex. As you said- complex things don't just come out of nowhere.

Answer 4

Example: Earth is not like a chair.
Watch the science channel. Space is amazing.

What made god ?
Instead of thinking it's a smartass question, think logically.

Answer 5

yeah it makes sense to me....the world is too beautiful not to have been created.

Answer 6

I am muslimah and everything you have said is correct thank you for your insight and question! very good!

Answer 7

Good point.