Let me help you with something, I just want to save you some time. You CANNOT understand Christianity on your own power. You don't the necessary tool to understand it. Here's why I say that......
"1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International Version)
14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
So can you see why it all seems so silly to you and not to us?
2007-03-28 14:49:42 · 30 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
J.P. thank you for being honest without name calling and insults. I agree with you, God must draw people to Himself and does that. But many are called and few are chosen, why,because the reject the truth and become hard in their hearts concerning Spiritual matters. There only response is to be critical of those who accepted the truth. I am sad for you, but I do understand your point and agree with it-God does draw people to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
2007-03-28 15:06:24 · update #1
What is of the spirit is spirit and what is of the flesh is of the flesh. I understand where you are coming from, being a christian myself, but nagging them for not believing isn't going to help.
2007-03-28 15:00:09 · answer #1 · answered by lalalalalala 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Argh! I never liked Paul, he was a sexist. Besides, this was all written down some three hundred years after they all died anyway. By different people, some of whom were adding and deleting. Cheese whizz, King James...sexist, again not valid!I scrutinize all texts.
Jesus was a feminist!Just love him...sigh.
Hey, excuse me! Other people believe in God who are not Christians. Or the Divine! You know there is more than one way to read those writings and frankly, the human powers that be are patriarchal power brokers. Not to be trusted!
You talk about us being rude. You just don't get how disrespectful of people you are really being do you.
As for the Athiests. They belong here just as much as anyone else does! In fact they make an extremely important contribution. I never liked yes men or suck ups. What are you going to do? Discuss where to put the alter candles?This is far superior.
Oh, right ...maybe not so good for those who prefer to hand the riens over to someone else. What ever made me, blessed me with an unbridled spirit and the heart to guide it. It also lets me dial direct. Thanks!
Just love the logic loop! SOOOO TRUE! I really think you should look closely at what some of these people are saying here. Some very good poiints!
If Christians had a live and let live, sit down in the coffee house to have a good chat kinda way about them the world would be a better place. Blessed are the peace makers.
Do you recognise who blessed us with that last line?
Do love you...peace!
2007-03-29 17:51:34 · answer #2 · answered by Jamie 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Oh I get it. I really do get it.
I don't need you to save me some time. I have been an atheist for over 53 years now.
I don't need you to explain why I should belive in archaic garbage. I actually have spent a lot of time researching and discussing and a young upstart just won't make much of an impression on me, especially by spouting nonsense from the book of lies and contradictions that was written by deluded men a long time ago.
This is the 21st century. Imagine yourself living in the remote mountains of Afghanistan and the tribal elders were telling you to believe that women should be able to do NOTHING except procreate and clean up at home. That slavery was absolutely fine with them and their god. That murdering countless numbers of children was a fabulous idea. That human sacrifice was the best deal available. Wait ... that's what the bible says!
It is ALL very very silly. Childish in the extreme.
God is imaginary. Get real?
2007-03-28 22:01:43 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Let ME save YOU some time, Sparky. The fact that one of the fictional characters in your book says that "A man without spirit...etc.," doesn't make it a fact. No matter how many fictional characters there are in your book saying things, it doesn't make them true.
The Mayor of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that a wizard will help her get back to Kansas if she follows the yellow brick road across Oz. This doesn't make Oz real, or the wizard, or the yellow brick road. It's just a fantasy novel, like your bible.
Your bible has a more elaborate history then "The Wizard of Oz", but not in such a way as to verifiably make it true.
If you believe, you believe, if you don't, then you don't. Your biblical quotations are attempting to prove the validity of the bible. This is self-referential, and therefore, not a logical proof. You can't present illogical proofs thinly disguised as logical proofs to logical people and expect them to fall for your deception.
Just be happy with your own faith and let that be your contentment. I don't begrudge you your belief. I don't expect you to change. Stay the way you are, and believe what makes you happy. If you intrude upon my space by trying to get me to believe what you believe and you don't have a pretty damn solid argument, you won't get anywhere, and you'll just get yourself frustrated when you could be at peace.
That's a long winded way of saying, "Mind your own business, and stop preaching."
2007-03-28 22:03:14 · answer #4 · answered by DiesixDie 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I appreciate the sincerity of your question, but it is a very illogical and uninformed argument. People of any religion or cult would say the same thing.
"You just don't understand that the Great Ones are coming to take us away in their flying saucers, because only they can show you the truth and they have not yet enlightened you... Can't you see why it seems silly to you but not to us?"
Unless you are inhumanly gullible, you wouldn't accept that argument either. Am I right?
2007-03-28 22:00:14 · answer #5 · answered by Don P 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Sorry buddy, I'm an EX-Christian. If you want to be technical about it, yes when I was a Christian I did have the "holy spirit" with me, I used to be very devout. Then later on down the road I rejected Jesus and I blasphemed the holy spirit. Thus committing what you call apostasy and the unforgivable sin.
I do understand your religion, that's exactly why I reject it. You god boasts about hardening people's hearts and making people blind, then sends them to Hell for all eternity for it. He's a sadist and I want no part of it. I highly value knowledge and freedom, two things you have to forfeit being a Christian.
2007-03-28 21:55:48 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 3⤋
Funny, I got it when I was a Christian. I even used that very verse to prove to others that they can't possibly understand without God's help. So, if this is true... then those whom you claim do not understand, don't because God does not allow them to. Now... I want to know how that is someone's fault that God does not give them that understanding? Why would you send someone to hell for not understanding something that only YOU could give understanding about?
And what definitions for Just and Merciful are we using here?
2007-03-28 21:56:37 · answer #7 · answered by Kithy 6 · 4⤊ 3⤋
Then why do you preach it if we're incapable of understanding it?
Didn't Jesus say something along the lines of "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me, and no one comes to me except the Father beckons..."?
That kinda means GOD, not you, not me, has to make the first step.
Aren't you questioning God when you try to make it happen any faster than according to his own timing?
2007-03-28 21:56:17 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 1⤋
Umm, I understand it clearly. My mom is a constant reminder. That reference is sort of like an insurance and a supposed answer to why non-believers should convert. In a sense, its worded so you cant criticize(a set up, maybe?) the dogma.
2007-03-28 21:58:14 · answer #9 · answered by Maikeru 4 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Is it possible that by quoting Paul instead of Jesus, you have completely missed being a "real" Christian.
Jesus said, "If you do not forgive others, your father in Heaven will not forgive you."
Paul said nothing about that. And, Jesus said nothing about you getting to Heaven if you follow Paul's letters to his friends and empire builders.
smiles
Do you think you are going to Heaven by misinterpreting what it means to believe in Jesus? If you believe in someone, you don't just believe they exist, you follow their instructions.
2007-03-28 21:59:42 · answer #10 · answered by MrsOcultyThomas 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋