Muslims: Why do you believe the Holy Bible is corrupted?

Question

And why do you believe the qur'an is not corrupted?

Corrupted how?

Answer 1

Firstly and foremost we believe so because it is what God tells us happened. Before anything we trust in God. There are also many evidences that support that idea as well. Even Christians agree that the Bible is not in it's original form. In the 80's there was a Christian convention in California that concluded that 80% of the Bible had been changed. This happened when translations became held equal to the originals, then from those more translations, and even more translations from those. When you translate a sentance from one language to another, you lose meaning. When you translate a translated sentence you lose even more meaning, and usually the translators try to compensate by adding their own interpretations. Christians generally believe that the translators had divine inspiration, however others (some Christian as well as non-Christian) believe that there are too many contradictions for it to be from the All Perfect. One verse may say something that another verse says completely opposite, and there are also verses that are barely noticeable, but still do not fit. If you compare one of today's Bibles with a Bible published 100 years ago, you will find differences, and in some cases you will find missing words altogether. The same could happen if you compare one modern Bible with another modern Bible. We believe that God delivered His Message to the people, and at one point it was in its original, pure form, but over time it has changed so much it can't be held as completely divine. Also, there's no originals to compare today's Bible to. There are some surviving Hebrew Bibles, however Hebrew is a fairly new language in a Biblical sense, and even Jesus (saws) himself spoke Aramaic.

The reason we believe the Quran is not corrupt is because it has remained unchanged since it was first written down 1400 and some years ago. When Muhammad (saws) recieved the message, he as well as his followers memorized the revelations word for word. They wrote them down and memorized the whole Quran. Today, people still memorize the whole Quran. We have to memorize it for our prayers. There are also surviving manuscripts of the Quran in three different museums in the world, so it's not that difficult to compare and see for ourselves. Then there's the topic of translations. When Quran is translated into another language, it is called "Translation of the Holy Quran" and it is emphasized that this is a translation of the meaning of the Quran, and not the actual Quran. This is to ensure that the reader understands it's only the interpretation of the Quran from its original Arabic into their own language, and interpretation by a simple man who's just as prone to mistakes as the rest of us. People who study the Quran or want to convert to Islam are encouraged to learn Classical Arabic (also called Quranic Arabic) so that they can read the Quran in its originality and see the beauty in the words that disappears when translated. The Prophet (saws) and his followers gave us warning not to lose the Quran by man's hand as what happened with the Bible, so it is a serious topic for the Muslims to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I'm sure you'll get many answers, so I hope mine contributes to the info.

Answer 2

Qur'an actually confirms the Bible. They cannot really say when it was corrupted. They believe that Muhammed is the Comforter in the Bible...and he is not mentioned in the Bible at all. Muhammed made it up. Muhammed is very unlikely prophet of God of Abraham.Why on earth Jesus died on the cross for our sins and then God sends a new prophet to totally change the story and leave us to make it to heaven by deeds!?

The Bible is very reliable. Christianity bases on something what happened in the history. We have so much historical documentation about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus outside of the Bible so we do not even have to have the Bible for that reason. And Jesus confirmed the Old Testament and promised the New Testament. : )

Answer 3

I'm not a Muslim but I'll try to answer this question from a Muslim point of view (I spent several years in the Middle East).

Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews. They believe that God sent many messengers (most of the Prophets of the Old Testament and Jesus) and that much of the guidance given the world was collected in the Bible. However, they believe that many people contributed to the Bible and the message is not pure. However, they respect it as a religious text.

The word of God was delivered to the Prophet Mohammed over time and he recited the whole message before his death. The message was recorded by his followers (the Prophet could not read or write) and formed the Qu'ran. The Prophet was the last messenger and the words he received from God were considered to be the perfect book.

Answer 4

There are stories that state when a priest was writing a particular passage of the bible for the King James version, if King James didn't approve he had said priest murdered. Every other book of history that is promoted by European society seems to glorify European culture at the expense and subjugation of other cultures. This has happened countless times throughout the world. Trusting the Quran, as a person of color from a perspective of a race of people who have had a history of being subjugated, would be easier to do.

Answer 5

How could any document that old claimed to by written by god not by corrupted? So many old guys have changed the bible it just feels silly to try to take it seriously.

Answer 6

here are some contraditions for the bibles:

http://islaminfo.com/new/bible.asp

that is how the Quran was preserved:
In fact, there are different ways to prove that the Qur'an is the word of God, which has always been true and has never been subjected to change or distortion. These proofs can be classified into three types: the way the Qur'an was transmitted throughout the centuries, some challenging verses within the Qur'an itself, and the periodic, modern-day discoveries in the universe that were first mentioned in the Qur'an more than fourteen centuries ago.

Unlike the Bible and Old Testament that have been subject to innumerable translations, doubtful and spurious transmissions, and corruptions at the hands of clerics up till now (with the “gender sensitive” versions coming out these days), the Qur'an was transmitted to us in an unprecedented and unique manner according to rigorous rules of transmission. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) via the angel Gabriel, and the Prophet subsequently memorized the whole scripture.

Thousands of the Companions of the Prophet learned the Qur'an directly from the Prophet (pbuh). They memorized it and were known in Islamic history as huffaadh (the memorizers and preservers of the Qur'an). Moreover, a number of Companions wrote it down during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and it was compiled in its entirety immediately after his death.

The following generation of Muslims learned the Qur’an directly from the Companions. Thus the chain of teaching and learning through direct contact continued systematically, methodically, and meticulously until the present age.

Additionally, several of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were appointed as scribes to record the words of the revelation directly from the Prophet himself on parchment, leather, or whatever else was available. The most famous of these scribes was Zayd ibn Thabit, who also memorized the entire Qur’an, and he formed with the others a community of huffaadh that can be compared to academic societies of our present time.

We know the Qur’an was recorded in totality during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) and the different surahs (chapters) personally arranged by him. Many copies of the text were used for study and teaching, even in Mecca before the Hijrah, the migration to Medina.

The entire Qur’an was written down during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, and trusting the fact that many scholars knew it by heart, it was not collected in one volume. It was personally arranged by him, and the Muslims memorized it in the same order. The companion Uthman reported that whenever a new verse was revealed, the Prophet would immediately call a scribe to record it. He would instruct the person to put the specific verse or verses in a particular chapter.

Furthermore, every year during the month of Ramadan, the Prophet would recite the whole Qur’an from beginning to end in its present-day arrangement, and everyday people could hear it from his own lips in the mosque. Its sequence is no mystery. Many of the Companions not only memorized it completely, they also wrote it down and even added commentary (tafseer) on their own personal copies. When the Prophet passed away, the whole Qur’an was already written down, but it was not yet compiled in book form.

During the rule of the first Caliph Abu Bakr, there was a rebellion among some distant Arab tribes that resulted in a series of fierce battles. In one particular battle, a number Companions who had memorized the Qur’an were killed. The Companion Omar worried that the knowledge of the Qur’an was in danger, thus he convinced Abu Bakr that the Qur’an should be compiled into book form as a means of preserving it once and for all.

Zayd bin Thabit was entrusted with this important task. Zayd followed strict methods in his compilation and had dozens of other huffaadh recheck his work to ensure its accuracy. Abu Bakr, who had also committed the entire Qur’an to memory, approved of the final product. After Abu Bakr passed away, the copy was passed to the Caliph ‘Omar, and then Uthman.

However as the Muslim world expanded into lands where the people spoke Arabic as a second language, the new Muslims had a difficult time learning the correct pronunciation of the text. The Caliph Uthman consulted other Companions, and they agreed that official copies of the Qur’an should be inscribed using only the pronunciation of the Quraysh tribe, the Arabic dialect that the Prophet spoke.

Zayd bin Thabit was again given this assignment, and three other huffaadh were assigned to help him in the task. Together, the four scribes borrowed the original, complete copy of the Qur’an, duplicated it manually many times over, and then distributed them to all of the major Muslim cities within the empire. Two of these copies still exist today: one is in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent.

One must keep in mind that in traditional learning in the Arab world, transmission was based upon an oral tradition as well as a written one; the Arabs (and later all Muslims) excelled in accurately reporting scripture, poetry, aphorisms, etc. through the generations without change. Similarly, the chain of huffaadh was never broken, and thus the Qur'an today has reached us in two forms: the memorized version transmitted through the scholarly chain, and the written version based upon the Companions’ initial recording.

If the Qur’an had been changed, there would be huge discrepancies between these two today, as the Qur’an has reached isolated (and sometimes illiterate) communities through the memorized form of transmission without the written form to correct it. No such discrepancies have ever been recorded or reported. In other words, isolated village A in African Mali and isolated village B in Afghanistan will both produce contemporary huffaadh reciting the same words of the Qur’an, though they did not learn from a similar printing of the scripture nor has there ever been a concerted international effort to rectify would-be discrepancies.

Allah has said in the Qur’an that He alone will protect His book, and indeed He has kept His promise. The Qur’an that we read today contains the same exact words that were revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) over 1400 years ago. This is quite a miracle, especially when you consider that no other group of people can say that their book has not been subject to change by the time it reached the present generation.

Only the Qur’an has survived through the centuries unchanged, and the language in which it was revealed, classical Arabic, still enjoys practical usage around the world. While classic English of the 14th century can be understand by very few native English speakers, the Qur’an can be understood by the vast majority of Arabic-speaking Muslims. When compared to other scriptures, the Qur’an is unique in these two respects.

Furthermore, from the prolific arts that have accompanied Qur’anic learning and transmission, we can learn of the auspiciousness and honor with which the Muslims have traditionally held the Qur’an. The visual arts of calligraphy and binding, and the vocal art of recitation represent examples of such arts, and from them we can see that veracity of transmission would be understood as a fundamental aspect of Qur’anic reverence.

As regards the proofs within the Qur'an itself, they can be found in the following Qur’anic challenges:

Surah 4, verse 82:

*{Do they not then meditate on the Qur’an? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.}*

Surah 17, verse 88:
*{Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others.}*

And Surah 2, verse 23:
*{And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.}*

Answer 7

well about the quran..........i'm muslim and i have no doubt that it was 100% perserved......even when i'm alone thinking...and pose questions like (c'mon man.....how ur sure it's not corrupted....u've seen nothing) ....i always come with this conclusion...the quran was perserved...............
the bible......actually i'm not tryina be mean.....but i think it's not the same words god sent to humans by jesus (peace be upon him)...
cause.......bible.......was exclusive to be used by .........religious leaders......and i think they freely added and/or ommited parts...........of the bible...
i believe islam is the last message by god.......that had been delivered by prophet mohammed (peace be upon him)
peace

Answer 8

the bible and the koran are essentially the same Bronze Age work of fiction neither is true in anyway. Say no to jesus

Answer 9

Muslims have to claim that the Bible was corrupted because in many places it disagrees with the Qur'an. Of course, as the Qu'ran tells Muslims to accept the Bible this itself is a contradiction.
"And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; Sura 29:46

Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." Sura 5:68

We have Bibles that predate Islam and these copies would have been the ones in use at the time of Muhammad. So these would have been the scriptures referred to in the Qur'an quotes above.

It certainly appears that those who compiled the Qur'an had not actually read a complete Bible of the time, because there are not only disagreements in teaching there are also glaring errors in the historicity of events as recorded in the Qur'an, compared to the those in the Bible.
There are attempts by Islamic scholars to explain these away but they are hardly convincing.
For example, the Islamic scholar, A. Deedat, attempts to discredit the Bible. On p. 6 of his little booklet titled Christ in Islam, he labors to prove that Jesus’ right name was Esau in Hebrew, Eesa or Isa in Arabic. We know where he and others
are headed with that idea. They just want to justify an error in the Koran. The name Jesus is the anglicized form of Jehoshua, meaning Jehovah is Savior. The name was given by God Himself through the Angel Gabriel as recorded in Luke Chapter one, verse Thirty-one: And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a Son, and shall call his name JESUS. Esau was the twin brother of Jacob, who sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of porridge (Genesis 25: 32-34). When Esau missed the blessing as a result of his folly, he became angry and started persecuting Jacob (Genesis 27:41). The nation of Israel descended from Jacob. The other name of Esau is Edom (red) and the Edomite nation descended from him. Possibly because of the bitter hatred of Esau towards his brother Israel (Jacob), Israelites do not name their children Esau to this day. Muhammad, or whoever composed the Koran, must have been misled by his informants. Jesus, not Isa, is the proper name of the
miracle man that descended from heaven and made His landing on Nazareth soil (1 Corinthians 15:47, Acts 10:38). Even Arabian Christians use the Arabic equivalent, Yesu, for Jesus.

Some other examples: - - -

The Koran confused Miriam, sister of Aaron, with Mary mother of Jesus. Here is the confused passage as stated in Surat Maryam, 27-29: See pamphlet entitled Jesus in the Qur’an and the Bible, an outline, by Jamal Badawi, p. 1; cf. Yusuf Ali’s commentary No. 2481.
At length she brought the [babe] to her people, carrying him
[in her arms]. They said: ‚O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast
thou brought! O Sister of Aaron! thy father was not a man of
evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!' But she pointed to the
babe. They said: ‚how can we talk to one who is a child in the
Cradle?‘ According to Islam, Amran (Imran) was the father of the Virgin Mary (also Sura 3:30-44). Any child who attended a Sunday School knows that Miriam, sister of Aaron and Moses lived 1,400 years before Mary the mother of Jesus. (see Exodus 15:20 and Numbers 26:30-44).
Islamic scholars seem to have detected this error, but instead of rectifying it, they hide it in interpretive argument, claiming that the sister of or brother of Aaron means a descendant of, or of the clan of Aaron.
Aaron, elder brother of Moses, son of Amran (Imram) was a priest of Levitical descent (Exodus 4:14; Numbers 26:59). While the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus, was of the tribe of Judah, and of the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32; Romans 1:3). For it is clear that our Lord [Jesus] descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests (Hebrews 7:14 NIV).
It is evident that Miriam, sister of Aaron, and the Virgin Mary were neither blood nor tribal relatives, nor were they of the same descent. Miriam descended from Levi, while Mary descended from Judah. These were two distinct tribes and lineages in Israel.

The name of Abraham’s father was not Azar, as the Koran states in Sura 6:74, but Terah (Genesis 11:26). The Koran further teaches that Pharaoh’s wife adopted Moses (Sura 28:8,9), whereas Moses himself said he was adopted by Pharaoh’s daughter (Exodus 2:5-10).

In several places the Koran associates Haman with a Pharaoh of Moses’ time (Sura 28:6-7, 38; 40:24, 36), but from the Bible book of Esther (3:1-10), we know that Haman was a servant of Ahasuerus I, the 5 th century BC Medo-Persian king (known to us all as Xerxes) who lost the battle of Marathon. So Haman was really born a thousand years after
Moses!

In the words of Sura 28:28 and 40:36,37, Pharaoh commanded Haman to build a tower of bricks, the top of which will reach heaven. We know from archaeological and other historic evidence that this famous tower was built in the Babylonian plain many generations before Pharaoh’s time (Genesis 11:1-9).

The account of Gideon, son of Joash who led the Israelites in battle against the Midianites is given in Judges Chapter 7, but in relating this incident the Koran makes another error, stating that this took place at the time of Saul in connection with David’s victory over Goliath (Sura 2:249-251).