Is your faith so weak that it CAN be debunked?
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2007-03-28 02:05:30
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answer #1
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answered by Plum 5
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Actually, we usually just point out how christianity "debunks" itself. Have you read your bible? And, do you seriously believe everything in the bible is true and accurate? Well, judging from your question, you probably do. Try reading some different books for a change.
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Concerning the Israeli archeologists and historians who supposedly squelched this finding. Do we really consider them and independant group, holding no stake in the results of the findings, making an objective decision?
Think about it. We, the US, had a large role in establishing the Israeli state. This was/is considered their holy land. Now, given Jews tend to not believe jesus was the messiah, this effects them. If the divinity of jesus is proven wrong, what else in the bible, which includes the old testement, is also not true. And, if other aspects of the bible are "debunked", does this affect the Israeli's claims to those lands.
Because, if you think about it, the Israelis, who are predominantly Jewish, would be somewhat validated by the lone fact of jesus not actually rising and ascending to heaven. It would prove he was not the messiah, therefore making their religious beliefs more valid. But, if some parts of the bible are debunked, it opens the door to debunk the rest of it.
2007-03-28 09:31:03
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answered by ? 5
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So the ossuary almost certainly didn't belong to Jesus. That whole episode of hype, misdirection and credulity ranks Cameron right up there with the fundamental Christian revival salesmen. His bad science doesn't prove or disprove anything with regards to Jesus. But then neither has anything provided by any Christian been proved in the past 2,000 years. The difference between Cameron and the delusional is that at least he's exploring his world and trying to find out the truth based on what he can see with his own eyes, not what his parents indoctrinated him with when he was a child.
2007-03-28 09:12:30
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answer #3
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answered by Peter D 7
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I have heard (and saw some myself) holes in the guys case that need to be investigated. Getting the actual DNA and mapping the family relationships of everyone would change the arguement a lot. If it all matchs, it is true. If it doesn't, then it isn't.
But I have seen no evidence that it was a fraud or any counter evidence. There are debates about a few of the names and such, but that doesn't consitute anything but disagreement.
I am skeptical that it is really that Jesus. But Christians jump all over things with 1% of the evidence that they have. How many times do I have to hear they found the Ark? This has a much much much better chance of being the case.
2007-03-28 09:08:32
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answered by Anonymous
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Take a look at Christian history. You have systematically eliminated hundreds if not thousands of belief systems without care if they are real or not. Those who fought your conversions were burned.
And you killed your OWN people! Salem witch trials, Spanish Inquisition, anyone?
Now people turn a skeptical eye--just skepicism without any physical or spiritual rapage--and you all get offended.
Give me a break. You aren't even getting a TASTE if what you've done to other peoples and religions, and you start crying.
Christians are selfish, whiny, and greedy. I think this: God created Jesus; Satan created Christians.
2007-03-28 09:10:44
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answered by Songbird 5
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Personally, I don't care one way or another about artifacts that prove or disprove Christianity. But, when you declare that you're the ONLY true religion, spend your time insulting other people's beliefs in the name of attempted conversion, and want everyone to live by the moral code set down in your book whether they follow your book or not, because it's "my way or the highway" to many conservative Christians, then you're asking to be attacked.
Or perhaps I shouldn't say attacked - you're forcing us to fight back against you. And if someone can prove that your god didn't exist in a physical form the way you insist that he did, well then, you'd finally have to shut up, wouldn't you?
)O(
2007-03-28 09:20:50
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answered by thelittlemerriemaid 4
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More and more we are going to hear of people trying to prove that Christ and God don't exist. As we get closer to the end of time it is going to be tougher on us Christians. Our faith will be tested many times. That's why we need to stay prayed up and read God's word so that we will know his word and truth. I'm not laughing at these people who don't know any better than to mock God. I find it sad that they don't have the peace in their heart that God gives. Their day is coming..when every knee will bow and every toung confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord!!
2007-03-28 09:11:13
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answered by ReeRee29 4
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It's very easy to debunk christianity or ANY religion!
Just ask any christian or any one in a religion to PROVE their beliefs! ! ! (They wouldn't be able to prove very much of their beliefs)
Jesus WAS beyond christianity and any religion, because he Created His Relationship with Our Creator!
"religion is Spiritual fraud"; "religion is the Worse invention of humanity" - Jesus Christ, Buddha and any one else with Spiritual intelligence. Without God, there is No Love; Without religion, there are No Wars!
Here's HOW anyone can go beyond christianity or any religion:
Create a private, personal, direct, divine Relationship with Our Creator and save your Soul from religion.
Only with Our Creator's Love and Peace will we be Truly Free!
2007-03-28 09:07:48
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answer #8
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answered by drwooguy 3
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Wow, a lot of hard core self righteous opinions in here.
Look at the times and ALL that is happening, good NOW actually read the BOOK of REVELATION.
2007-03-28 11:15:25
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answered by Cheryl 5
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it is easey to debunk christianity but the christians can not prove that it is true and there fairy tale can not be looked on as fact it is a fairy story that thay are trying to make true even if it means change time space and world history
2007-03-28 09:30:56
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answered by andrew w 7
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"Why do people try so hard to debunk Christianity?"
Really, this is because rather than staying a religion of the mystic/mythic, Christianity started asserting that it is factually correct, scientifically sound. Scripture literalism is doomed to be a failure as a "proof" of the religion's validity or value.
Forgive me for repeating myself:
We have to understand that scripture literalism (Fundamentalism) is a relatively recent thing. It's essentially a reaction to the post-1900s modern world.
Because we tend to project our own thoughts and reactions backward onto people of earlier ages, most of us don't know that people even as recently as 200 years ago thought very differently than we do. But they did, and spiritually, in particular, they were very different than we are today. They had evolved two ways of thinking (knowing, speaking, acquiring knowledge), both of which were considered essential. These two ways of thinking (understanding, looking at the universe) were regarded as complimentary ways of arriving at truth...each had it's own area in the lives of earlier people.
1. Mythos (religious thought, religious practice, religious mysteries, and religious rituals) was concerned with what these people thought of as timeless truths and what was constant in human existence. It looked back to the origins of life and the foundations of culture and looked into the deepest levels of the human mind. Mythos provided people with a context that made sense of their day-to-day lives and directed their attention to the eternal and universal. It dealt with *internal* realities
2. Logos was the rational and pragmatic; the scientific thought that allowed people to function well in the world. It related exactly to facts and corresponded to external realities. Logos forged ahead and tried to find something new...to gain greater control over the environment, to find out how things worked, to conquer or overthrow the limitations of humans in relationship to our survival. This we are all familiar with, because it's what has lately been accepted as the ONLY path to "truth" in most modern societies. But Logos has it's limitations. It cannot provide comfort in tragedy. It has nothing to say about the ultimate value of human life.
By the end of the 19th century, the Western world had achieved such astonishing advancements through science and technology that they began to think that Logos was the only means to "truth"...and they began to dismiss Mythos as false and superstitious. And so was born scripture literalism, out of the acceptance that the scientific method of proof is the only valid measure of truth.
It's a bad idea.
It would be far healthier, IMO, to reclaim the separation of mythic/mystic and scientific thought. Religious scriptures were not intended to be science textbooks. And the measuring devices of the scientific method are not applicable to religious insights.
No one thinks that the point of the story of Echo and Narcissus ought to be utterly ignored because we know that nymphs never existed. And no one dismisses the insights into human behavior supplied by Aesop's Fables because we know, scientifically, that lions and mice don't actually talk to each other, or that wolves don't actually wear the skins of sheep in order to fool other sheep.
Again, religious truths are not like the proofs of scientific rationalism, but more like the intuitive insights of poetry or music or art. Conflating the two only results in bad science and bad religion.
But a lot of people are threatened by modernism. There are people who, having accepted the scientific method as the only valid path to truth, feel that their most sacred values are being challenged, and who are motivated by fears, anxieties, and desires that are not unpredictable in the face of the modern (and largely secular) world. The "timeless truths" are now put under the microscope and found to be historically false or scientifically invalid.
And so they push back, and try to reclaim the value, the truths of their religious texts by insisting on the literal, material factuality of the stories in those texts. And they become more entrenched in their positions because *they have thrown away* the value of mystic/mythic thought and accepted scientific rationalism where it doesn't belong; where, in fact, it actually destroys the value of religion.
It really is a bad idea. If Christianity were to back off of the stance that the Bible is a science textbook or accurate historical record, and reclaim it's foundation in mystic/mythic thought and experience, there would be far fewer efforts to "debunk" it.
And if some of the people who are asserting that the bible is literally true and scientifically accurate were less....er.....inaccurate themselves, it would help. Like the whole "no, it doesn't say 'circle' it says 'sphere' ", which is patent nonsense.
2007-03-28 11:27:12
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answer #11
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answered by Praise Singer 6
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