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According to the KJV Bible, Jesus accended into heaven and was seated at the right hand of God. Wouldn't that make them seperate? Before Jesus was crucified, He prayed to God. Again wouldn't that make them seperate? Jesus wouldn't have prayed to Himself would he? Please help me to understand and back it up with the scriptures to prove what you are telling me. Thank you in advance.

2007-03-27 17:18:35 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are separate persons; yet, they are all the one God. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are co-eternal, co-equal, and co-powerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God. Furthermore, God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a creation and the Holy Spirit as a force (Jehovah's Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father who became the Son who then became the Holy Spirit (United Pentecostal). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate Gods (Mormonism).

The duality of Christ's nature, human and divine, cannot be fully and definitively answered. If we could, we would possess divine minds ourselves. That said, we theologians have made progress at trying to understand the concepts of the Trinity of God and God the Son's role in that Trinitarian doctrine. There are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one true, eternal God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory; although distinguished by their personal properties. Jesus clearly stated his divinity in

Joh 8:58: Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

Or

Mar 14:61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
Mar 14:63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, "What further witnesses do we need?
Mar 14:64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?" And they all condemned him as deserving death.

As you can see, the high priest fully understood that Jesus was claiming that He was in fact God. Some knowledge of the original Greek is warranted here, particularly the term, "Son the blessed". But there is no doubt that Christ was claiming to be God. The Jews hearing his claim understood exactly what He was saying and planned to stone Him.

Or,

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (God speaking)

Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Christ speaking)


In short, Jesus’ human nature could be tempted. He thirsted, hungered, and at times was full of righteous anger. Yet He never sinned. If He did, we are all lost and God is not God. Christ also was God with all of God's attributes, and these two natures existed in a hypostatic (fundamental state) union.

I doubt I can improve upon the discussion of Christ's dual nature that is found at http://www.carm.org/doctrine/2natures.htm

See also the following bible verses for…

One God and Only One God: Isaiah 44:6-8; Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29; Romans 3:30; Ephesians 4:5-7; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19

Trinity doctrine: Isaiah 9:6; Luke 24:52; John 1:1-3; John 10:30; Acts 5:3-4; Philippians 2:5-7; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3

The doctrine of the Trinity took centuries to develop, but the roots of the doctrine can be seen from the first century.

The word "Trinity" is not found in the New Testament, nor is the doctrine explicitly taught there. However, foundations of the concept of the Trinity can be seen in the New Testament, especially in the Gospel of John, one of the latest and most theologically developed of the New Testament books. (Matthew 28:19; John 1:1)

Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. [
Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians (Ante-Nicene Fathers 1.58); The Martyrdom of Polycarp 14 (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1.42)]

However, the clearest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century. Tertullian coined the words "Trinity" and "person" and explained that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person." (ANF 3.621; c. 213 AD)

About a century later, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define the relationship of the Son to the Father, in response to the controversial teachings of Arius. Led by bishop Athanasius, the council established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and condemned Arius' teaching that Christ was the first creation of God. The creed adopted by the council described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father." (William Placher, Readings in the History of Christian Theology, 53)

Nicea did not end the controversy, however. Debate over how the creed (especially the phrase "one substance") ought to be interpreted continued to rage for decades. One group advocated the doctrine that Christ was a "similar substance" (homoiousios) as the Father. But for the most part, the issue of the Trinity was settled at Nicea and, by the fifth century, never again became a focus of serious controversy.

Most post-Nicene theological discussion of the Trinity consisted of attempts to understand and explain such a unique concept. Gregory of Nyssa, in his treatise, “That There are Not Three Gods”, compared the divinity shared by the three persons of the Trinity to the common "humanness," or human nature, that is shared by individual human beings. (Ironically, this initially promising explanation has been seen by some to yield a conclusion quite opposite than the title of his work.)

Saint Augustine, one of the greatest thinkers of the early church, described the Trinity as comparable to the three parts of an individual human being: mind, spirit, and will. They are three distinct aspects, yet they are inseparable and together constitute one unified human being.

There are many differences in doctrine between various Christian denominations, but the Trinity is not one of them. Non-Christian cults dispute the Trinitarian doctrine.

I suggest you start there to dig deeper into this topic using hermeneutics and looking at the entire bible messages. Here is where I recommend you begin your studies:

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm
http://www.ldolphin.org/Names.html (see sections near bottom of this very long web page)

2007-03-27 17:59:53 · answer #1 · answered by Ask Mr. Religion 6 · 0 1

Explaining the Trinity

1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God. (Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6-8, Isaiah 45:22)

2. The Bibles teaches that there is one who is called the Father and is identified as being God. (1 Peter 1:2)

3. The Bible teaches that there is one who is called Jesus and is identified as being God. (John 1:1-3&14-18, John 20:28-29, 1 John 1:1-4&5:20, Philippians 2:5-8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 22:12-20)

4. The Bible teaches that there is one who is called the Holy Spirit and is identified as being God. (John 14:16-17, John 15:26, John 16:7-15, Acts 5:3-4, Acts 13:2, 1 Corinthians 12:4-18, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 10:15-18)

Logical Analogies

There are things in life that are triune in nature but one. For example: An egg is one but with three distinctions. You have the yoke, the white, and the shell, but all three composite the one egg. Another example: A piece of fruit such as the peach has three components. A peach has the outer layer (the skin), the inner layer (the juicy stuff known as the meat), and the core. All three components composite the one peach.

Other things that we have in our everyday lives that are triune is water. Water is one substance that can be liquid, gas, and solid distinctly or all at the same time. The following quote is from the late Dr. Walter Martin: "It is a well-known fact of chemistry that plain water, when placed in a vacuum under 230 millimeters of gas pressure and at a temperature of 0 degrees Centigrade, solidifies into ice at the bottom of the container, remains liquid in the center and vaporizes at the top! At a given instant the same water is both solid, liquid and gas, yet all three are manifestations of the same basic substance or nature: H2O - hydrogen: two parts; oxygen: one. If one of the simplest of all created substances can be three in manifested form and yet remain one in nature, then the Creator of that substance can surely be Father, Son and Holy Spirit - three Persons and one Nature - without any violation of logic or reason whatever if He so wills."

If an egg, a peach, and water can have three distinct things and all be one at the same time, than the Almighty should have no problem. The word Trinity is way of explaining the belief in one God revealed through three distinct persons. Some people get all hung up on the issue of the Bible teaching there is only one God. No where does the Bible state God is only one person, but it does say God is one in Deuteronomy 6:4. The word for one there is the Hebrew word Echad, which means a composite unity. For examples of this consider Genesis 1:5, Genesis 2:24, Ezra 2:64, Ezekiel 37:17 where the same Hebrew word Echad is used and means one in unity, not in number! The Bible teaches there is one Church but many members and there is no problems with understanding this, yet when it comes to God some seem to have problems.

2007-03-27 17:44:15 · answer #2 · answered by saq428 6 · 0 0

The name of God is the Lord Jesus Christ.
His titles are ------------Father, Son, Holy Ghost

1+1+1=1 big theological problem not to mention the math.

The big miracle is how God was able to lay down His glory and walk a mile in your shoes and mine. Jesus was Jehovah God born in a manger. He was the Pillar of Fire in the wilderness and the Pillar of Fire that spoke to St. Paul. He is the Rock that gave out water; the man's back that was shown to Moses; the angel that wrestled with Jacob and the eternal priest that met Abraham after the slaughter of the kings.. The entire Old Testament speaks of Jesus as does the New Testament.

The same Jesus that resides with me in this dispensation of the Holy Spirit is the same God who was born in a manger 2,000 years ago and the same God that spoke mouth to ear with Moses. And His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.

Read many times, Matthew, Chapters 14, 15, 16 and 17 and ask for revelation. It is all there..

2007-03-27 18:52:51 · answer #3 · answered by Tommy 6 · 0 0

They are separate beings, three distinct persons but one God. This the doctrine of the Trinity -the three in one God.
Deut 6:4 says God is one
Matthew 28:20 says we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
John 1 says that Jesus is God
Acts 5:3-5 says the Holy Spirit is God
Jesus , because He is God has the power to forgive sins.
Christians don't believe in three Gods and went don't believe that God exists in three modes i.e Jesus praying to Himself.

2007-03-27 17:54:53 · answer #4 · answered by biblechick45 3 · 0 0

Jesus went through 3 stages of evolution. This is something that is not limited to any single religion. It is for anyone with a spiritual incline.

#1 There is me and there is God. The classic theory of duality.

#2 God is my Father. Duality of course but a higher form

#3 I and my Father are one.

#3 is still duality because he makes a reference to himself and God thus referring to two different entities. Jesus was therefore an enlightenned soul on the verge of what is known commonly as Nirvana - the ultimate form of happiness. Union with GOd.
At this stage . .One does not say, " I am God"
You say, "I am."
While in reality God Jesus and Holy Spirit are one and the same, Jesus didnt get the actual realisation.

2007-03-27 17:27:23 · answer #5 · answered by blogman 2 · 1 0

God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose, however, they are three distinct individual beings.

Matthew 3:16,17
16) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him;
17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In those verses, it gives us three distinct beings: Jesus having been just baptized. The Spirit of God...like a dove, and God/Heavenly Father speaking from heaven.

In Matthew 17:4-5
4) Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: If thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5) While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold a voice out of the could, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Again, two separate distinct beings...

John 12:27-30
27) Now if my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour; but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28) Father, glorify thy name. then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29) The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered; others said, An angel spake to him.
30) Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

There are other examples of Jesus addressing the Father. Yes, one being in the Garden of Gethsemane, another when he was on the cross.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit; and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

I could give you other scriptures as well, but hopefully that will clarify the distinction for you.

2007-03-27 17:55:32 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Unfortunately, the part of the scriptures that has that information was left out of the bible because the church in rome didn't agree with it. Type in the apocryphon of john in your search engine and read. You may not believe it, but the answer to your question is in there.

2007-03-27 23:42:12 · answer #7 · answered by single eye 5 · 0 0

God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all different beings, but they are One God.

2007-03-27 17:22:36 · answer #8 · answered by Vin 2 · 1 1

In the KJB, it says: "For there are three witness bearers” this added passage reads, “in heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one." This passage has proved to be a false addition to the Bible. That's why it does not appear in many modern Bibles.

At John 10:30, Jesus did say: "I and my Father are one." But what did he mean? How were they one? One in body, one in identity, one in together making up one God, one as members of a Trinity or three-in-one God, the third member of which was the Holy Ghost? No! For if they belonged to a Trinity or triune God, then the two of them were not one but only two-thirds, as the Trinity has three Persons, namely, “God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.”

Instead of being in a Trinity, Jesus and his Father were one by being in agreement with each other as Father and Son. Never was there any disagreement between them. The witness that the Father gave and the witness that the Son gave were in agreement. Jesus the Son said to the Jews: “The Father who sent me is with me. Also, in your own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’ I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” (John 8:16-18) Jesus here spoke of himself and of his Father as two distinct individuals. So by them enough testimony was provided for the Jews to believe, since testimony was required of two witnesses at least. Though two distinct individuals, yet the Father and the Son were one in their witness or testimony, because both their testimonies agreed.

In addition, Jesus did not speak of merely himself and his Father as being one but also of all his disciples as being one: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: . . . that they may be one, even as we are one.”

2007-03-27 18:05:30 · answer #9 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 0 0

They were one, he ascended back to his Father from where he came.
He prayed because they were one, he prayed Father make them one as we are one..........
A man and wife are one yet two, they ask the other before making a decision...............

2007-03-27 18:18:39 · answer #10 · answered by Gifted 7 · 0 0

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