Jews,it says in Avot, "All Jews have a place in the world to come" what if Hitler had converted before he died

Question

Bdi eved all that is required for a conversion (remember bdi eved, not l'hathila) is for a person to be circumcised in front of 3 Jewish men observant of the Sabbath after declaring intention to accept the commandments; heal, then be immersed ina mikveh in front of 3 sabbath observant Jewish men who heard him declare intention to accept the commandments.

If Hitler had arranged this before his death, would he have a portion in the world to come as, "All Jews have a portion in the wordl to come," and "A proselyte is like a newly born infant?"

Let us assume he then abdicated his position, freed the Jews, and then started living a Jewish life.

Also, as a gentile who does not keep the Noahide laws, including that against idolatry (you often say often say Chrisitians are), has no world to come. If he had left the priests in the camps to die, they would not have a portion?

So does your religion teach that a Jew who was Hitler gets a reward a Priest who was gassed by him doesn't?

Fine, let's change it fro Priests to homosexuals. All opinions agree homosexual acts are against the noahide laws.

And Gravol, let us say HItler lived a Jewish life after the conversion. He cannot lose his portion for something before.

Answer 1

I doubt that you'd find any Jewish men to go along with Hitler's conversion, so he'd have a hell of a time finding somebody to accept him as a Jew. But I can't understand the intention of your question. You seem to be using some sort of very obscure and archaic laws to paint a preposterous scenario, is this out of sheer boredom or is this issue consuming your mind?

Answer 2

I'm not a rabbi, and this question sounds like a question that only a qualified rabbi may be able to answer well.

But here are my thoughts:

1. Judaism does accept the concept of repentance, and the further you are away from God, the further you must go to get back to Him, and therefore, one with the sins of the magnitude of Hitler, would have had to come a very very long way to repent. In other words, the long distance that he took to get back to God is part of his atonement. One who has awful sins grieves over them immensely when he realizes he was wrong, moreso than one who had lesser sins. (I didn't explain that very well - like I say, a rabbi could do so much better!)

2. Most Jews do regard Christians as keeping the Noachide laws. One opinion is that Christianity is considered idolatrous for a Jew, but it is NOT considered so for a Gentile. Another opinion regards Christianity as idolatrous for anyone - and for those who hold that opinion, your question applies.

3. If nothing else, everyone gets 3 tries. Judaism holds that one can be reincarnated up to 3 times if he does not get it right the first time.

Answer 3

All Israel have a portion in the world to come, for it is written: Thy people are all righteous; they shall inherit the land forever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.' But the following have no portion therein: one who maintains that resurrection is not a biblical doctrine, the Torah was not divinely revealed, and an Apikoros ("Epicurean, apostate"). Mishnah Sanhedrin 9:1, Talmud Sanhedrin 90a.


a person can clearly also lose his portion in the world to come.

As for the priest you fail to quote the opinions of those who say that Christians are considered monotheistic.

As for what will happen to them (or you or I for that matter) is up to G-d and G-d alone.


Edit:

Ok you want to change it fine

As for the Homosexual I again each person is judged according to what they are capable of. As such only G-d can judge what their penance will be.

And the Hitler bit... Conversion might cleanse a sin committed between G-d and man but it will not between man and man.

As such he will still have to pay in this world for his crimes and as well in the next.

Answer 4

In his way Stalin grew to become into yet another Hitler, and Stalin lasted longer in power, and died of old age, nevertheless in power. Stalin grew to become into in charge of Soviet Russia, an substantial united states. for the reason that that factor there have been a number of dictators in charge of international locations that have had huge impact, e.g.Ghaddafi in Libya (small united states via inhabitants, yet great impact because of the fact of oil), Mao Tse Tung in China and Saddam Hussein in Iraq (oil, returned, and look on the chaos in Iraq for the reason that he grew to become into deposed). no person can are anticipating the destiny, yet i does not be shocked to locate a dictator in a similar place to Hitler at it sluggish.

Answer 5

Go and look in Rambam.
Yes, believe it or not, there are Jews that don't get a place on the World-to-Come.
Do a bit of research on google,and you will find what reasons they are very fast.

Answer 6

There is no proof that any Jews were ever gassed, As a matter of fact there is a $50,000.00 reward for proof any Jews were gassed all you need to do is show a body and science can prove if the person was gassed or not but for some reason it's against the law to investigate the matter. I wonder why?

Answer 7

If Hitler didn't do it someone else would have commited these acts.........it's history it belongs in the past.........lets leave it there..................

Answer 8

A BIG WHAT IF !