We as humans need air, water, meat, vegetables, warmth, and it is all here by chance? No creator, just luck?

Question

This world is perfectly suited to our needs, and no other planets as far as we know have life, but there is no God, or creator. It was all chance like rolling a six on a thousand dice all at the same time? When history proves that there was a King David. There was a Pontius Pilate. There was a Jesus of Nazareth---in historical accounts outside the Bible, if you say there are not--you have not researched. There is much more evidence that God is real, than the incredible amount of probability involved in some cosmic explosion creating life and all of the conditions necessary for life, and perfect rotations of planets, and meteors not slamming us. Think about all the wonders of nature, abiogenesis, and tell me it was just random luck?

Answer 1

Just as easy to say that we evolved to take advantage of what is here. What about chemotrophic organisms?
They don't really need any of the things most living organisms require to survive.
Heck oxygen was originally a poison to most organisms living on earth, a waste by-product of life, just as carbon-dioxide is today. Oxygen cause the extinction of most organisms as it built up in the Paleoproterozoic era, then some adapted to use it and survive.
Meteors slam us all the time, it just doesn't seem very often because you have a human view of time.

But you don't believe in all that do you?

If aliens visited us tomorrow would you still believe in god?
Seems strange to create the entire universe and yet only create life on ONE planet.

Answer 2

Again, you fail to understand basic science.

It is *not* luck.

There is no evidence whatsoever that any gods are real, any more than new york city shows spider-man is real.

You are just parading your ignorance of science, and not doing your religion any favors.

Just because you keep asking about this:

Does the Anthropic Principle indicate a Creator?
By capella

God Twiddling the knobs

The term “Anthropic Principle” was coined by a theoretical physicist named Brandon Carter in 1973.

It basically claims that the conditions of the Universe as it was unfolding from the Big Bang were so “finely tuned” that if anything was just a slight bit different along the way then our universe would have turned out in such a way that we wouldn’t be here.

Some with a theistic bent use this sort of thinking to claim that the universe unvailing the way it did was so improbable that a Creator must surely be at the controls.

The problem with this sort of thinking (in the context of probabilities of conditions) is that it assumes that we we are *supposed* to be here.

Why is this wrong?

Because in universes where semi-intelligent people (not talking about truck drivers) don’t arise, there is no one there to speculate on their good fortune. It could be that a tremendous amount of universes have arisen and ours happened to be, by chance one where intelligent life could arise.

Here is an analogy: Suppose someone was dazzling you with the odds against your parents conceiving a child with your exact genetic makeup? Because of the number of possible arrangements of genes, the odds are staggering, probably trillions to one against you existing, yet here you are reading this article today.

Does this mean that you were destined to be here? No. If the car hadn’t run out of gas that night or if the liquor cabinet had been empty or if a number of variables had been a little different, then someone else might have been conceived to speculate on their good fortune.

Back to the Creator argument: In order to calculate probabilities, you have to know how many samples you have in a set. The theist asserting that AP supports a creator would likely assert a very low number for the number of universes and most likely they would assert just 1, but we have no idea of how many universes there are or have ever been, so we can’t say. The number is somewhere between 1 and infinity. If you don’t know how many universes there are and if universes unfold in at least somewhat random ways, you can’t calculate the probability of a given universe unfolding a certain way.

Answer 3

The problem with this way of thinking there is a presupposition there was a God only one God that created all this. No one is arguing the point there is order in the universe. We are arguing over who created the order. The bible in no more explanatory of the facts than my toaster.

The bible is a great keeper of history but that doesn't mean man did not create the idea of God. In fact there is a great deal of evidence that proves God was a man creation. The fact in the matter we don't know how all this got here and that is the way we all should proceed until we find out the absolute truth. God is just to convenient of a reason. The God construct only requires men to accept not question.

Because there is only faith and not real reasoning men come up with a lot of stupid things men and women should to respect a God. Come on, would and all powerful God cared that you worked on Sunday?

Use your head man...

Answer 4

I saw someone respond to an answer like this with a very simple metaphor:

"After a rain storm, there was a puddle left in a hole in the ground, this puddle thought to itself, 'Wow this hole fits me perfectly, it must have been made for me'"

If you don't understand what im getting at, it basically means, that through natural selection and evolution we are adapted to this world, its environmental features shaped us in a way so that we could survive, not the other way around.

Further if you wanted to debate that point, then where are there so many things on this world that can kill us? Volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, viruses, certain gases. We can't live on 2/3 of its surface and we freeze or starve on half of what remains.

So yeah...the world isnt suited perfetly to our needs, we adapted to the world.

Answer 5

Coincidence. Purely so.
God is imaginary.
Get an education?
The world is NOT perfectly suited to our needs. Only a very small percentage of it is inhabitable by humans. The planet is on the move, destroying us via earthquakes, hurricanes, etc ... perfect? I don't agree.
Random Luck? Of course.

God is imaginary.

Answer 6

If you are right,then he also created the fleas that caused the 'Black Death'.The mosquito ,(malaria),& the aids virus,among other horrible things.Your "Creator" is a bloody monster.There is no evidence that god is real.Even if it is proven that jesus existed,there is no proof that he performed miracles,or that he was the son of god.Think about this:If jesus could bring people back from the dead,why would anyone want to crucify him?Would'nt they use him to bring back their loved ones'?The 'Son of God ' notion is idiotic.

Answer 7

Could you please cite this evidence? I mean, I as a polytheist see none for yours.

And, really, why do you need to break it all up into chance? With as large and old as the universe is; it's conceivable these "Chances," will happen.

And do you really know if Earth is truly optimal? what if there's another part to the equation, making some other planet better for it?

Also, the existence of Jeebus is not well documented; in fact, many historians debate his existance.

Answer 8

It might be luck, some planet has to be the one to have perfect conditions just like someone has to be the one to win the lottery.

Answer 9

I agree totally. I can never understand Atheists. The World is an amazing place. in our brief time on this planet we only get to experience such a small slice....