What's the difference between the NAVY and the MARINES?

Question

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Is Semper Fidelis a Navy thing?

Answer 1

Marine


Ask a Marine what is so special about the Marines and the answer would be esprit de corps, an unhelpful French phrase that means exactly what it looks like - The spirit of the Corps. But what is that spirit, and where does it come from?

The Marine Corps is the only branch of the U.S. armed forces that recruits people specifically to fight. The Army emphasizes personal development (an army of one), the Navy promises fun (let the journey begin), and the Air Force offers security (it's a great way of life). Missing from all of these advertisements is the hard fact that it is a soldier's lot to suffer and perhaps to die for his people, and to take lives at the risk of his own. Even the thematic music of the services reflects this evasion.

The Army's Caisson Song describes a pleasant country outing over hill and dale, lacking only a picnic basket. Anchors Aweigh, the Navy's celebration of the joys of sailing, could have been penned by Jimmy Buffet. The Air Force song is a lyric poem of blue skies and engine thrust. All is joyful and invigorating, and safe. There are no landmines in the dales nor snipers behind the hills, no submarines or cruise missiles threaten the ocean jaunt, no bandits are lurking in the wild blue yonder.

The Marines' Hymn, by contrast, is all combat. We fight our country's battles, first to fight for right and freedom, we have fought in every clime and place where we could take a gun, in many a strife we've fought for life. The choice is made clear. You may join the Army to go to adventure training, or join the Navy to go to Bangkok, or join the Air Force to go to computer school. You join the Marines to go to war.

But the mere act of signing the enlistment contract confers no status in the Corps. The Army recruit is told from his first minute in uniform that you're in the Army now, soldier. Navy and Air Force enlistees are sailors or airmen as soon as they get off the bus at the training center. The new arrival at Marine Corps boot camp is called recruit, or private, or worse (much worse), but not Marine. Not yet; maybe not ever. He or she must earn the right to claim the title, and failure returns you to civilian life without hesitation or ceremony.

My recruit platoon, Platoon 2210 at San Diego, California, trained from October through December of 1968. In Vietnam the Marines were taking two hundred casualties a week, and the major rainy season operation, Meade River, had not even begun. Yet our drill instructors had no qualms about winnowing out almost a quarter of their 112 recruits, graduating eighty-one. Note that this was post-enlistment attrition; every one of those who were dropped had been passed by the recruiters as fit for service. But they failed the test of boot camp, not necessarily for physical reasons (at least two were outstanding high-school athletes for whom the calisthenics and running were child's play). The cause of their failure was not in the biceps or the legs, but in the spirit. They had lacked the will to endure the mental and emotional strain, so they would not be Marines. Heavy commitments and high casualties notwithstanding, the Corps reserves the right to pick and choose.

But the war had touched boot camp in one way. The normal twelve-week course of training was shortened to eight weeks. Deprived of a third of their training time, our drill instructors hurried over, or dropped completely, those classes without direct relevance to Vietnam. Chemical warfare training was abandoned. Swimming classes shrank to a single familiarization session. Even hand-to-hand combat was skimped. Three things only remained inviolate: close order drill, the ultimate discipline builder; marksmanship training, the heart of combat effectiveness; and classes on the history, customs and traditions of the Corps.

History classes in boot camp? Stop a soldier on the street and ask him to name a battle of World War One. Pick a sailor at random to describe the epic fight of the Bon Homme Richard. Everyone has heard of McGuire Air Force Base, so ask any airman who Major Thomas B. McGuire was, and why he is so commemorated. I am not carping, and there is no sneer in this criticism. All of the services have glorious traditions, but no one teaches the young soldier, sailor, or airman what his uniform means and why he should be proud to wear it. But ask a Marine about World War One, and you will hear of the wheat field at Belleau Wood and the courage of the Fourth Marine Brigade. Faced with an enemy of superior numbers entrenched in tangled forest undergrowth, the Marines received an order to attack that even the charitable cannot call ill advised. It was insane. Artillery support was absent and air support hadn't been invented yet, so the Brigade charged German machine guns with only bayonets, grenades and indomitable fighting spirit.

A bandy-legged little barrel of a Gunnery Sergeant, Daniel J. Daly, rallied his company with a shout. Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? He took out three of those machine guns himself, and they would have given him the Medal of Honor except for a technicality. He already had two of them. French liaison officers, hardened though they were by four years of trench bound slaughter, were shocked as the Marines charged across the open wheat field under a blazing sun and directly into enemy fire. Their action was so anachronistic on a twentieth-century battlefield that they might as well have been swinging cutlasses. But the enemy was only human; they couldn't stand up to this. So the Marines took Belleau Wood. Every Marine knows this story, and dozens more. We are taught them in boot camp as a regular part of the curriculum. Every Marine will always be taught them.

You can learn to don a gas mask anytime, even on the plane en route to the war zone, but before you can wear the emblem and claim the title you must know of the Marines who made that emblem and title meaningful. So long as you can march and shoot and revere the legacy of the Corps, you can take your place in the line. And that line is unified in spirit as in purpose. A soldier wears branch of service insignia on his collar, and metal shoulder pins and cloth sleeve patches to identify his unit. Sailors wear a rating badge that identifies what they do for the Navy. Marines wear only the eagle, globe and anchor, together with personal ribbons and their cherished marksmanship badges. There is nothing on a Marine's uniform to indicate what he or she does, nor (except for the 5th and 6th Regiments who wear a French fourragere for Belleau Wood) what unit the Marine belongs to. You cannot tell by looking at a Marine whether you are seeing a truck driver, a computer programmer, or a machine gunner. The Corps explains this as a security measure to conceal the identity and location of units, but the Marines penchant for publicity makes that the least likely of explanations. No, the Marine is amorphous, even anonymous (we finally agreed to wear nametags only in 1992), by conscious design.

Every Marine is a rifleman first and foremost, a Marine first, last and always. You may serve a four-year enlistment or even a twenty-year career without seeing action, but if the word is given you'll charge across that wheat field. Whether a Marine has been schooled in automated supply, or automotive mechanics, or aviation electronics, is immaterial. Those things are secondary - the Corps does them because it must. The modern battle requires the technical appliances, and since the enemy has them, so do we. But no Marine boasts mastery of them. Our pride is in our marksmanship, our discipline, and our membership in a fraternity of courage and sacrifice. For the honor of the fallen, for the glory of the dead, Edgar Guest wrote of Belleau Wood, the living line of courage kept the faith and moved ahead.

They are all gone now, those Marines who made a French farmer's little wheat field into one of the most enduring of Marine Corps legends. Many of them did not survive the day, and eight long decades have claimed the rest. But their action has made them immortal. The Corps remembers them and honors what they did, and so they live forever. Dan Daly's shouted challenge takes on its true meaning - if you hide in the trenches you may survive for now, but someday you will die and no one will care. If you charge the guns you may die in the next two minutes, but you will be one of the immortals. All Marines die, in the red flash of battle or the white cold of the nursing home. In the vigor of youth or the infirmity of age, all will eventually die, but the Marine Corps lives on. Every Marine who ever lived is living still in the Marines who claim the title today. It is that sense of belonging to something that will outlive your own mortality that gives people a light to live by and a flame to mark their passing.

Marines call it esprit de corps!

Answer 2

Well, the Marines are considered part of the Department of the Navy. There is no academy for Marines. Those who want to graduate and become officers in the Marines, attend the Naval Academy.

Navy sailors typically may be stationed to a ship/carrier or a submarine. Marines fight on land, BUT work with the Navy and get transported by the Navy to get to their target area. Marines work much like the Army soldier, but I believe the Marines are the toughest, of all the Armed Forces.

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Semper Fidelis!

Additional Details:
"Semper Fidelis!" Marines motto. "Always Faithful". Or as they say, "Semper Fi !"

Answer 3

They both fall under the Department of the Navy. The difference is that the Marines are the Men's Department and the Navy always gives them a ride.

Semper Fidelis

Answer 4

Essentially, the Marine Corps is the Navy's land force. Both fall under the department of the Navy. Even though the Marine Corps has developed into its own branch of service it is much smaller in size than all other branches, thus their training is intense and they are considered elite.

The Marine Corps bases it's existence on tradition. They excel at shooting and are the only branch that focuses much of it's basic training around drill and ceremony. The Marines used to be the extended arm of the Navy because while the Navy would primarily work off of ships the Marines would work on the ground. Today the Navy also employs ground forces (SEALs) and also fly missions. Marines also pride themselves as being the first into any combat situation which is tradition but in today's modern combat it is primarily a joint effort with all branches. The recent mission in Iraq involved a joint operation in which both the Army and Marine Corps attacked different target cities at the same time with Air Force support.

Answer 5

I'm a former Marine MP.

I have great respect for all branches of the armed forces, and there are some differences.

1. Army - Primarily Ground Troops
2. Airforce - Primarily Air Battle
3. Navy - Primarily Water Battle
4. Marines - We train in all 3, air, land, and sea. We pretty much go in first to secure.

Confusion happens a lot because Marines are a Department of the Navy therefore considered to be the same but definitely not the case. Marines boot camp is longest of all branches. There are more differences but that is a fast description. I hope it helps :)

Answer 6

Officially the Marines are part of the Navy. but Marines duties are broaden by Air, Land and Sea. Often Marines are on board ships to help leadership, dictate and keep order. Marines don't offer medical, that is why can enter marines, but for most part, be part of Navy Medical.Marines provide services to the Navy, such as security, and the Navy provides services to the corps, such as medics and chaplains. Marine Corps dosnt have a chaplin. The Navy's primary mission is to maintain the freedom of the seas. The Navy makes it possible for the United States to use the seas where and when our national interests require it. In addition, in times of conflict, the Navy helps to supplement Air Force air power.

Answer 7

I'm a sailor. I'm stationed on a ship that transports marines. They are both within the department of the Navy. They have their differences and similarities. For the most part, marines are fighters. Sailors are sailors. Then there's the Aviation side to both services. Navy and Marines go to the sme technical schools. When marine squadrons ride on carriers, there are marines that work hand in hand with sailors doing the same job.

Answer 8

The Navy is the ships and the sailors that man the posts of it. The Marines are a battle ready force that repel or overtake enemy objectives.
Both are comfortable at sea. Mariners is the root of the word Marine.
I use to wonder that also. Kinda like the Air Cavalry, how do them horses fly?

Answer 9

The Marine Corps is the Navy's groud force basically. They are part of the United States Navy. The Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the SECNAV (Secretary of the Navy). A lot of people don't know this.

Answer 10

the purpose of the navy is to protect the country from threats from the sea. The Navy uses ships big and small, carriers, subs, destroyers, cruisers. Yet the marines are quite different they own ships but their purpose is not that of the navies instead they are an amphibious force as they attack on land or sea, they use infranty more than big guns, kind of a hybrid of the navy and the army.

Answer 11

Navy wears funny pants