Just talked about Jesus and changing the wine?

Question

Forgive me for saying it wrong, my wife corrected me. What I meant was, yes he changed it into wine but not the wine we know it as today. It was not alcoholic wine, Kosher wine was used by jews and it is simply grape juice.

Answer 1

Be Not Drunk With Wine
Eph 5:18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, (NKJ)
The word Juice is not in the bible Wine in the bible was grape juice. When the grape juice got old it would become fermented. The teaching of the bible is drink all the new wine you want to drink (that is drink all the grape Juice you want to drink) but when it is fermented The bible teaches us to stay away from it. The bible says don’t even look at it.
Isa 65:8…, As the new wine is found in the cluster, …
Here grape juice is called wine while it is still in the grape. Because the same word is used for wine and grape juice some people have been confused about what the bible says.
Questions about drinking Alcohol
How much alcohol should a Christian drink? None zip nada Absolute none.
Why? Because #1 it is a sin. It is something that will enslave a man. It will take a hardworking man and make him a bum. It will take a easy going man and make him abusive. It will take a man who loves his wife and turn him into a womanizer.
Prov 23:29-33 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Do you mean a Christian shouldn’t drink at all? That is exactly what I mean.
1- Only one exception, you can consume a little for medicine. cough medicine etc.
2- Paul told Timothy “Drink a little wine for the stomach’s sake.
3- This is the only exception. Any other consumption of Alcohol or drugs is a sin.
4- Alcohol is a drug. The use of alcohol for any reason other than medicine is drug abuse.
Well what about Jesus turning water to wine?
1- The wine Jesus made was not fermented.
2- The word wine in the bible means grape Juice it could or could not be fermented.
How do You know the wine Jesus made was not fermented?
1- I know Jesus
2- Jesus never sinned. It is a sin to give some one Alcohol to drink.
Hab 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also,
a special curse was to be on anyone who gave strong drink to any one.
A- A drunkard shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The Sorrows of Alcohol
Prov 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Prov 23:20-21 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness (Getting high) shall clothe a man with rags.
Isa 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
1 Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Tim 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not
Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Answer 2

Nonsense.

First of all, kosher wine is alcoholic. In fact, some of the more famous (or infamous) kosher wines are more alcoholic than normal wine because they are fortified (with more alcohol).

Second, if you leave grape juice out of the refrigerator, it will ferment and turn alcoholic. Since there was a noted lack of refrigeration in 1st century Israel, grape juice was not known. The fruit of the vine was sold after it had been made into wine.

There are plenty of references in the bible that talk of wine in association with the effects of alcohol and no references which speak of grape juice as distinct from wine.

Answer 3

You are wrong. Kosher wine Was and still is alcoholic. People drank wine in those days because they could not find pure water to drink..There would have been no point in drinking nonalcoholic wine. And without refrigeration or pasteurization there was no way to keep grape juice from turning into wine.

Answer 4

Tell me, how long do you believe grape juice would last in the desert with no refridgeration? And why wold Kosher wine today be alcoholic if it wasn't back then? This idea of non-alcoholic wine in the bible is complete nonsense. By the way, "strong-drink" is much like our beer of today.

Answer 5

That is so not true. Jesus changed it into actually alcoholic wine. Jesus never said that wine was bad anyway, neither does the entire Bible. The only thing that is wrong with respects to alcohol is being drunk.

Answer 6

Okay zero evidence of this,for one you could not store this unfermented wine for any period of time in that sort of environment. For another there is no prohibition of Alcohol in Jewish culture that I know of,and he was a Jew. Just because some modern Christians want to take a scripture or two about drunkenness so far out of context as to sound ridiculous is no excuse to just start making stuff up out of whole cloth.

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Answer 7

it was alcohol. the host put out the expensive wine first,when the people had their fill and could no longer tell the difference he put out the cheaper wine.

you can't drink expensive grape juice and then wait a little while to put out a cheaper grape juice thinking that no one could tell the difference.

why can't people accept that drinking wine was done in the bible-jesus himself drank wine, if you don't like alcohol don't drink but the bible does not expressly condemn alcohol.

Answer 8

When you make wine , it is not automatically wine ..like poof ! it's wine , it needs to go through the fermentation process. It was like grape juice .There was strong drink back then after the fermentation. Jesus would not condone social drinking ,they used it for medicinal purposes at times.

Answer 9

I would say that is inaccurate because the guests said they usually saved the poor wine for last as the guests would be drunk and not notice the drop in quality yet the wine Jesus created was finer than the first and it brought honor to the host. Read the whole story and decide for yourself.

Answer 10

This is a silly argument. The wine the Jews drank included alcohol or else there was no reason for the admonition, "Do not be drunk with wine . . ." If there was no possibility of getting drunk, then there was no need for this command.