Christians: Are you familiar with these Jewish reasons for denying Jesus?

Question

The following prophecies were never fulfilled:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

"Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists."

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/Why_Dont_Jews_Believe_In_Jesus$.asp

It's very convenient to say that Jesus IS the temple, isn't it?

Answer 1

Good reasons I admit. But he had healing powers and he brought the dead back to live and multiply the bread for people. He was born of a virgin woman. This is enough. I don't have anything against Jewish people and I respect their views on these issue.

Answer 2

How long was it after Moses led Israel out of Egypt before they had rejected God and began worshipping a golden calf?
How many times, actually, did they turn away from God before they ever reached the promised land?
How long did it take once they got settled into their new land before they were at it again?
How many times did God send prophets to Israel that were mocked, tortured, and killed?
In fact, how long did the original Kingdom of Israel last before the Israelites tossed God off the throne in favor of a human God, and didn't Samuel warn them what the consequences would be?

How do you explain the fact that, within a generation after Jesus, Israel was totally destroyed, just as Jesus said it would be?
Haven't the sacrifices ceased, just as foretold, basically because God took away the place of sacrifice?
Didn't Malachi warn Israel that the Lord Himself would visit His temple, and isn't that taken to be a Messianic prophecy?
Why do Jews ignore any prophecies to this day that do not agree with their ideas on how God ought to handle things?

Since mankind doesn't seem to be improving, why do you think God ought to hand over the ruling of the world to a man? It didn't seem to work for Israel the first time, and it never has seemed to work for any other nation.
Evem supposing that someone should come along, manage to prove that he is a descendant of David, which would be a minor miracle given that the genealogy seems to have gotten a bit muddled in the past couple of thousand years, and then somehow manages to do all those things you have listed, what happens when this wunderkind goes "the way of all flesh"?

You do realize that, one day, this world must come to an end. Entropy insists upon it. It could be millions of years from now, and man as we know him might be extinct, but the earth will not last forever.
Then what?

How many messiahs have come and gone in Jewish history, and which of them has made the impact on the rest of the world that Jesus has?

I think if I were Jewish, I'd at least look into the notion that I might be mistaken about these things. I wouldn't want to take the risk of missing my Messiah the second time!

Answer 3

Also don't forget Mark 13, which states that "Jesus" (the "Jesus" of the Bible is really a bunch of Romans attributing words to the real Jesus (as)) said that the end of the world will come before the end of the lifetime of the Apostles.

Also, all of the Prophecies that "Jesus" in the Bible did "fulfill" were actually taken out of context. For example, one Prophecy is quoted in a Gospel and says that Jesus fulfilled it. HOWEVER, if you read the rest of the Prophecy (which is located in the Old Testament), it is actually telling of a Prophet who will be the king of a nation and will be a great military leader (referring to the Prophet Muhammad (as), obviously)!

Answer 4

you might find this story amusing:

"Your question reminds me of a humorous story told over in the name of Rabbi Chaim of Brisk. Rabbi Chaim was riding on a train car in Europe filled with Jews when a missionary entered the car and began preaching his proofs. The Jews quickly dispensed with his handful of standard scriptural interpretations when the missionary suddenly presented a new argument, which the Jews were at a loss to counter.

“How can you be so sure that Jesus was not your Messiah?” the missionary asked.

One of the passengers answered: “Jesus lived in an era full of great Torah sages. If they were there, saw all the facts with their own eyes and concluded he wasn’t the Messiah, what sense does it make for us, 2000 years later, to question their conclusion?”

“Ahhhh!” the missionary countered, “but what about Bar Kochva, whom Rabbi Akiva thought was the Messiah, but turned out to be mistaken? If your greatest sage, Rabbi Akiva, could err about Bar Kochva being the Messiah, couldn’t your other sages have made a mistake about Jesus?”

Silence. What counter could there be to such a reasonable suggestion?

Then Rabbi Chaim spoke up from the back of the train: “Who says Rabbi Akiva made a mistake?”

“What?” asked the missionary.

“Maybe Rabbi Akiva was right; maybe Bar Kochva was the Messiah,” Rabbi Chaim restated. “Then your question just goes away.”

“But Bar Kochva couldn’t have been the Messiah!” the missionary exclaimed.

“And just why not?” Rabbi Chaim asked.

“Because he was killed by the Romans!” the missionary concluded.

“Thank you very much,” finished Rabbi Chaim."

Answer 5

Yes I'm aware of these passages, but the one that made me believe that Jesus really was the messiah was Daniel 9:24-27 because the "seventy-sevens" added up from the date the book of Daniel was written is about 30 a.d. where it describes Jesus's crucifixion and that's the date it really happened!

Answer 6

These are meaningless. They rejected Moses when he first appeared to save them. They also did not recognize Joseph the first time they saw him as well. The Messiah was prophesied to be rejected upon His first coming. Have they forgotten all that?

http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/seventieth_week_of_daniel.pdf

Daniel 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined."

They can reject Messiah all they want. They will not break prophecy. And just where is their messiah going to come from now? Bethlehem? It's in Palestinian hands. The tribe of Judah? Where are the genealogical records to prove it? If Yeshua is not Messiah--there is no messiah for Israel.

Answer 7

The Jewish sources DO NOT show that the messiah would do these things outright. There merely "expected" it to be done in this manner. That was "man's" concept.

Answer 8

I'm going to dismiss this as simple, unwitting ignorance, but first I must ask you: Considering that Christ went to His own, and His own received Him not, and considering that the jews were out to kill Him daily, and considering alot of jews today still don't believe that Christ was the Messiah, and considering that jews are still hostile to anyone who speaks of Christ as the Messiah-what else did you really expect them to say then or now? Another one bites the dust.

Answer 9

Herod's temple is the third temple. God gathered his people to himself at the cross. Isaiah 2 is talking about the time of the ministry of Christ also in that as it is talking about "many people", not all, because he has written his law on our hearts, as is the passage in Zechariah talking about. As believers in Shiloh we are living in an eternal kingdom which is not manifested in the world that is seen.

Answer 10

That's a very good and interesting question. I believe that Christ "rebuilt the temple" when He raised Himself from the dead after three days. He spoke of this very thing before His death.

Many prophesies have not yet been fulfilled. What are these "Jewish sources" that deny this?