The Laws of the Lord?

Question

Okay I’m going to have to word this carefully, because I’ve asked it a few times and it always comes out wrong or is mis-interpreted.

First of all do you disagree with any of these facts?:

-God allows humans to suffer pain.
-God posseses Ultimate and Complete Power.
-God does not think pain is a good thing.

Ultimate power would suggest that God can do absolutely anything. i.e He creates all the rules. Rules of Logic, Rules of Physics, etc.

God does not think pain is a good thing, yet he allows humans to suffer pain.

He does this because he wants to build our character, he wants our nature to reflect his.

This means he is following a rule.
The rule is we cannot build this character without pain.
Which means he made a rule for himself that means he has to allow pain to exhist.
If he has Ultimate power why?

A common answer is what does good mean if there is no comparison, how can we have love without hate. We cannot, because of the laws of logic that God created. Why would he make these laws like this if he thought pain was a bad thing.

Sure he does not create pain….. satan, and man does… and he has reasons to allow pain… but the reasons only exhist because of rules he made. Why did he make the rules like this?

The way I see it…
He eighther must obey rules that exhist outside of himself.
Or he doesn’t think pain is a bad thing.
Or…?

This is not a complaint against God, it is a genuine question.
I think God is good and great etc etc.

Answer 1

Think you pretty much answered your own question.

Answer 2

I once saw my niece crying because she couldn't go to Grandma's house. In her little world, everything that mattered was failing. It was the most horrible thing, to her. All the adult tried to console her, but it didn't change the facts. Of course she can't understand that it's ten o clock at night and Mom and Dad have to work in the morning. All the reasons they gave her went right over her head completely. Still the question remained, Why? I guess you could say that we could have changed that if we wanted to. Of course, we could have loaded up in the middle of the night and taken her to Grandma's. But we didn't. So she could conclude the obvious:

either we were unable to perform her
requests or, we didn't love her as much
as we said we did.

Sound familiar. In actuality, we were hurt at her pain, but we also realize that she would eventually grow past this and learn from it, and realize that it is a small bump in the road of life.

As is with my niece, we don't see the big picture. I think God is hurt by our pain, but he realizes that it isn't the end of our world, so it isn't as dramatic for him. We have incorrectly blown the issue out of proportion because of our lack of perspective.

Answer 3

Pain is a teaching tool.
God permits it.
God does have control.
God looks on the spirit.
He knows the motivating factors.

Has there been pain in the world?
Yes.
Will there be?
Yes.
Does anyone have the answers as to why, NO.

What can I say.

Answer 4

Nothing happens apart from the perfect wisdom of God.
All things work together for good for those of us who know Him personally (Romans 8:28)

Answer 5

the law is that we have Free Will. Some people create pain for themselves. God/Goddess has nothing to do with it.

Answer 6

The issue of sickness and pain is always a difficult one to deal with. The key is remembering that God's ways are higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:9). When we are suffering in pain with a sickness, disease, or injury, we usually focus solely on our own suffering. In the midst of a trial of sickness, it is very difficult to focus on what good God might bring about as a result. Romans 8:28 reminds us that God can bring about good from any situation. Many people look back on times of pain as times when they grew closer to God, learned to trust Him more, and/or learned how to truly value life. This is the perspective God has because He is sovereign and knows the end result.

This does not mean sickness and pain is always from God or that God always inflicts us with sickness and pain to teach us a spiritual lesson. In a world tainted by sin, sickness, disease, and death will always be with us. We are fallen beings, with physical bodies prone to disease and illness. Some sickness is simply a result of the natural course of things in this world. Sickness can also be the result of a demonic attack. The Bible describes several instances when physical suffering was caused by Satan and his demons (Matthew 17:14-18; Luke 13:10-16). So, some sickness is not from God, but from Satan. Even in these instances, God is still in control. God sometimes allows sin and/or Satan to cause physical suffering. Even when sickness is not directly from God, He will still use it according to His perfect will.

It is undeniable, though, that God sometimes intentionally allows, or even causes suffering to accomplish His sovereign purposes. While sickness is not directly addressed in the passage, Hebrews 12:5-11 describes God disciplining us to "produce a harvest of righteousness" (verse 11). Sickness can be a means of God's loving discipline. It is difficult for us to comprehend why God would work in this manner. But, believing in the sovereignty of God, there is no other option than suffering being something God allows and/or causes.

The clearest example of this in Scripture is found is Psalm 119. Notice the progression through verses 67, 71, and 75 - "Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I obey your word...It was good for me to be afflicted so that I might learn your decrees...I know, O LORD, that your laws are righteous, and in faithfulness you have afflicted me." The author of Psalm 119 was looking at suffering from God's perspective. It was good for him to be afflicted. It was faithfulness that caused God to afflict him. The result of the affliction was so that he could learn God's decrees and obey His Word.

Again, sickness and suffering is never an easy thing to deal with. One thing is for sure, sickness should not cause us to lose faith in God. God is good, even when we are suffering. Even the ultimate of suffering--death--is an act of God's goodness. It is hard to imagine that anyone who is in Heaven as a result of sickness or suffering regrets what they went through in this life.

One final note...when people are suffering, it is our responsibility to minister to them, care for them, pray for them, and comfort them. When a person is suffering, it is not always appropriate to emphasize that God will bring good out of the suffering. Yes, that is the truth. However, in the midst of suffering, it is not always the best time to share that truth. Suffering people need our love and encouragement, not necessarily a reminder of sound Biblical theology.

Answer 7

Bong hits 4 God.