Disproof of God : Is this me dropping to the christian level?

Question

I figure the only way to get across to christians is to play things on their level. Considering what some of them come up with to try pitifully to disprove evolution... demonstrating their woeful lack of understanding, I figured I would do the same to disprove god. So tell me... is this or is this not totally on the same level:

If I take a gun and shoot a bullet into the sky, it doesn't start bleeding on me... hence there clearly isn't a god.

And how many christians have now been convinced that they have been living a lie?
(Heh... at a guess, I could count the number on the fingers of my 3rd hand.)

[ Why is anyone assuming I'm worried? I mock christianity for my own amusement, and if for whatever reason I did convince any christians to see reason it would be a nice bonus (but hardly frequent enough to be a viable goal).
It does bug me a little that the average christian decides to judge evolution without understanding the slightest thing about it though. ]

[ Sean and Bacha.... You seriously want to challenge me on this matter? You seriously wish to argue the existence of god against a Nihilist?
It might well be that you misunderstand my attack on christian failure to understand evolution (ironic, hmm?)... but if it is really a matter of the existence of god you wish to have at me on then feel free.
Don't go in with high expectations though... For one who can deny the existence of the Universe itself, the "god" notion is a walk in the park. ]

Answer 1

I'm not sure what Christians have to do with fish, other than the popular icon. Cod exist. I fry them up with olive oil and garlic every night. Delicious!

Answer 2

That really doesn't prove anything. The trinity (The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit) are one, but not in flesh. Therefore, he cannot bleed from the sky.

But I do believe most Christians try to disprove evolution, other religions and such with facts that only a Christian has the faith to believe. Catch my drift? So, politely tell them that their explanation doesn't make sense to you and to come back after they've done some research.

It frustrating to me to see Christians do that, makes us look bad. I myself can't hold a well educated argument about somethings, but I'm taking an apologetics class to better ready me.

Don't know if this helps at all...but that's why I have to say.

Good Day. God Bless.

Answer 3

First off.... I don't need to disprove one thing to prove another, my existence is not as simplistic as yours. Disproving evolution does not prove the existence of God. Any Christian who claims so is clueless. The converse of that is true also, the existence of evolution does not disprove God. Any atheist who claims so is equally as clueless.

Try reading some of the arguments offered by atheists before making asinine claims like "dropping" to a Christian level. There are many ignorant atheists, as well as ignorant Christians

The woefull lack of understanding is clearly demonstrated only by those who blindly refuse to study truth for the sake of truth. Who berate those who believe differently because they feel superior to them.

God is. Period. If you don't believe, you get to deal with the consequences. What do you care what I believe?

Answer 4

Dude, do you think science is easy?
Yes, most of creationist arguments I hear are ridiculous. But that is because of ignorance about the theory of evolution. They don't know, and they don't want to know, they just want to bash at it sencessly. GUESS WHAT, the same thing happens with God!!! Most atheist argument I hear are also ridiculous!!! They DO NOT differ much from your argument even if the person is serious (and I Know that you were just tring to make a point).

I always try to encourage creationist to study evolution, not to convince them, but so they have good arguments to disscuss with evolutionist if they fell the need to bash at evolution, so they do it right.

I'm a Cristhian and I encourage you to know more about Religion. Evolutionist is not sinonym for atheist. Don't feel anger, try to understand first...
um thats it

Answer 5

Thank you for your question. Once I accept the notion that a higher moral authority exists, investigation in some of the purported revelations of this being's words to mankind is in order. For me, I considered many holy texts, but ended with the bible because it proved to be the most reliable and valid.

Have you considered the reliability of the bible? Ignore for the moment the whole notion of God and just think about the book's content.

Investigation by even the most skeptical will also reveal that there exists NO SINGLE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY that has been shown to prove error, factually or doctrinally, in the Bible. There is lots of speculation and hypotheses, but not a single verifiable fact. If you or anyone should discover one, you will become quite famous. Yet, since recorded history, no one has offered it up and entered their names into the history books. Instead what we have is pseudo-science pandering to the masses, as in the recent John Cameron tomb of Christ debacle.

As a simple experiment, try turning your objective intellect towards the argument that no book, comprising 66 “mini-books”, written over a period of 1500 years by 40 vastly different authors, having an outstanding literary internal consistency and coherency, could be written by mankind alone. Add to that the survival of the book’s ancient manuscripts, numbering in the tens of thousands, over thousands of years and yet these manuscripts remain over 98% textually pure. How this possible, when compared to all the other ancient writings are so few in number? For instance, the Dead Sea Scrolls contain all books of the Old Testament, except Esther, and have been dated to before the time of Christ. Now consider Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars. Only ten copies written about 1,000 years after the event are in existence. In comparison, there are over 24,000+ New Testament manuscripts, the earliest one dating to within 24 years after Christ. How can we objectively and rationally explain this book, the Bible, especially in light of the claims I have made above?

Many fail to realize this and show their lack of knowledge in the historicity of the Bible by objecting when folks use the bible to support their own positions. While no one objects when a journal article or some popular book or media piece is quoted, there is always lots of flippant commentary when the bible, significantly more impressive in its coherent content, is used as a reference. Why is that? My reference work has withstood far more scrutiny and longevity than any written scientific journal. Am I not to be afforded the courtesy of using what I objectively conclude to be a valid reference for my own world view and as the basis for my epistemology?

Thus, when I examine the evidence on both sides, I can only rationally conclude that given the bible's accuracy on so many issues, and that I have been given no reason to doubt its validity on all issues it contains, especially when it speaks to God's divine revelations.

While all of my questions will never be definitively answered, I find that rationally my belief is on solid ground. There are many things in the world we do not fully understand or “see”, yet we have no problems in believing them. For example, solar physics is not fully known, yet we all objectively accept, using faith and scientific discourse, the "fact" that the sun will rise tomorrow.

Persons that seek absolute proof of something are inconsistently applying logic and rationality, for they do not seek this absoluteness in all things. Hence, their epistemologies are not fully formed; they speak without proper understanding of the nature of knowledge.

Why is it we can believe in many things using rational analysis, even when what we believe is only partially known, yet when it comes to matters like a supreme being, we suddenly want the "show me beyond a shadow of doubt" proof? As Aristotle once stated, "It is the mark of an instructed mind to rest satisfied with the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits, and not to seek exactness when only an approximation of the truth is possible."

Answer 6

I think you are making it harder than it needs to be. The motor vehicle department DMV has a simplistic way to take care of this. Everyone is required to show two forms of identification and a copy of a drivers license is not a valid second form of identification so if God cannot or will not comply there will be a warrant for his arrest and he will ultimately be putting HIS hand on a bible in court.

Answer 7

well im not exactly a christian but as far as i know i think they believe that god is some sort of spirit, therefore is already dead so to speak so basically your shooting at a ghost, which will obviuslly not bleed, but i do agree with you on how many christians try to make god all powerful and do whatever they can to go against revolution, and sure many of them feel theyre living a lie, but eventually go back to god, has him forgive them and theyre going to church on sundays again :)


...just a couple thoughts...

Answer 8

I am very none judgemental but I think this is almost the stupidist thing that I have heard to dissprove God.

If you really want to know if there is a God I will challenge you. If you dont try this then you really dont want to know that bad because all this requires is reading a small book.

It is a promise of God that is you want to know if he exists and a confermation of that, to read the book of Mormon and ask with faith in the name of christ if it exists he will reveal the truth to you.

I know this to be the truth and cannot deny it because God confirmed it through the holy ghost whichs bears truth to all things.

Good luck in your search

Answer 9

How does that prove anything if God live in the third heaven and your bullet only reached the first?

Answer 10

I will debate you on a one on one basis, on a schedule that fits my needs, not to prove or disprove the existence of God, but to demonstrate the unlikeliness of there not being a God.
Please email me to set up a time and venue( blog...etc) and bust out your books Daddy-O 'cause it ain't gonna be as easy as you think.