Texas Hold Em Question?

Question

Hello-
I have a question regarding Texas Hold em. Last night, I was invited to a friends house for a tournament. We had 10 players and everyone threw in $30. It was determined that first place would pay $150, 2nd place $90, and and 3rd place, $60.

After 3 hours there were 5 players at the table. All players have minimal chips left except me. I had over 90% of available chips that were on the table in front of me.

It was discovered during the flop that we had 6, 6's. The cards had been counted initially and 52 cards confirmed but not the exact denomination of the cards had not been verified. Obviously, we were very close to finishing the game. The other players voted to (start over) so I was forced to push my chips to the middle and lost everything. I got up and left as I didnt want to create a scene.

What are the rules on this? After 3 hours, everyone had the same access to the same cards. I really felt like I was screwed! Any thoughts? Thanks.

Answer 1

yes you did ..they conned you and i would never invite them or play poker with them again

Answer 2

1st question: how can you play for 3 hours without telling that there are six 6s? (say about 180 hands with an average of 10 known cards per hand... well i guess you get on average 2 chances where a matching 6 will be in a players hole cards and/or on the board, and somebody would have to be paying attention to a mucked 6, or they could be both in different player's hands. OK I answered my own question...)

2nd: I do feel that you got jammed... If I were the host I would have come up with something equitable. Like paying out half with 75 going to you and the other 4 players getting to split the other 75, and then starting another tourney with the remaining 150, and pay $100 1st, $50 2nd.

3rd... beware that this could be someone in your group playing an angle. I know you said friends, but that term can be a little vague where poker games for money is concerned.

Answer 3

Definately sounds peculiar.
You should have began with a brand new deck, but its a bit late for that now.
All in fun, I suppose.
A lesson learned.
You probably did the right thing to just get up and walk...
However, yes it sounds like you did get the muddy end of the stick in that one.
Sounds like you didn't even get your "entry fee" back.
Well, yeah...you got it the worst since you were the one winning, I suppose.
But really you all should have verified a brand new deck, and began play from that.
Who is to say someone didn't need an extra 6 for a straight and maybe added one.
Ofcourse that could really only have been one person, the owner of the house you played at.
But then that is a whole other deal.
I do not want to call anyone a cheat, especially someone Idon't even know.
HMMM
Well, better luck next time...If there is a next time.
DJH
Oh yeah, the rules, well that is HOUSE RULES, the house you are at.
Or decided by the group.
I am sure this will not happen again anytime soon, atleast not to you.

Answer 4

Honestly, you got screwed. No way should you have accepted that decision to just start over. Like you said, everyone had same access to the same cards, so there was no advantage to anyone (unless someone KNEW there were six 6s, but it doesn't sound like that was the case). I think you all should have kept your same chip counts and just grabbed a new, correct deck and kept playing. You had 90% of the chips which means you almost definitely would have won money, and most likely would have won the top prize of $150. If you had been playing for 10 minutes and this happened, I still think you should have kept your current chip stacks. After three hours, there's no doubt you should hae kept your same chip stacks. Bottom line...your "friends" screwed you.

Answer 5

In cases like this, the path to follow is decided upon normally by either the host, or as a group.

There are no set rules about what happens if the cards are found to be 'fiddled' and casinos have their own rules.

Obviously, the best way to stop this from happening is to open a new pack of cards each time you play, they are inexpensive, and there is nothing like breaking into new cards!

The other option is to verify the correct cards before play, however this should be done by the host/dealer.

When a problem arises, the best way to deal with it would be to discuss it in a formal manner. I would personally refund everyone, and appologise, or if acceptable, restart.

It is once again one of those moral situations where the manners of people is under discussion.

In future, perhaps hold your own parties, and that way it minimises the risk of arguments, as you are ultimately responsible for chucking people out!

Answer 6

Ok first this would never happen in an actual tournament at any casino because of the fact that the cards are handled by the dealers who know what they are doing. However in a home game where this does happen, then the game should proceed without starting over. its just bad luck for everyone and good luck for some. thats the way it goes. there is no such thing as starting over in a tournament. dont play with them anymore is your best bet. Trust me, been playing this game for over 10 years now

Answer 7

The rules on this are that the house makes those kinds of rules. The the house opened it up to a vote and let the players decide and they decided against you then that is how it goes.

As far as you friend. I wouldn't play at his place anymore. If he can't get his stuff together enough to have a good deck of cards for a $30.00 games, find someplace else to play.

Answer 8

If it happened in a casino the previous hands would stand due to random cards being dealt and everyone standing the same chance. A new deck should have been opened and the game carried on from where it left on. You were screwed mate.

Answer 9

I'd choose some more honest friends.

What happened is pretty sick, you got screwed out of your money.

In future you should always check the deck by putting in suits and checking that each card is present before you start. It wastes 3 minutes, but then you wasted an entire evening with this BS.

Answer 10

Just a jacked up game shoot the dealer and start over
its the dealer or houses responsibility
non reg equip
bad deck or head up somebodys a--s
with that game did nobody have a new deck and do you trust your freind hey just asking

that would P me off also but start over fairs fail

Answer 11

Yeah,you got a raw deal.Who was dealing? Did you take turns dealing? I'm surprised it took that long to catch it.I'm not sure what the official rules are because I've never been in that situation but it's a shame you had to forfeit your losses because someone's screwup.