Can a christian field this one for me?

Question

These passages seem to be really... well, insane. I know there are plenty of other examples, but to be brief, here's two. Now, if the bible is fact and a good moral compass from beginning to end... what gives? (Both from the King James Version)

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

PSALM 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Answer 1

this is what you'll hear: anything in the old testament can be ignored. that gets them out of a lot of problems.

Answer 2

Deuteronomy 21:18-21, this is part of the law that was given to Israel. God condemns rebellion, because it is considered to be as bad as witchcraft. Adherence to the law was expected, although I am sure that a good many rebellious children did not suffer that fate. Rather than take one or 2 verses out of something, why not study the whole thing?These laws were written for the benefit of the people as a whole, not just to make life misearble for a few. Today, do we not send unruly children to such places as some kind of detention? Do we just allow them to run as they choose and disrupt society? Wouild you just look the other way if a kid snashed in the windows of your car, or would you want to do something about it? While not as extreme as stoning the kid to death, we still deal with the ones who cause trouble. From what I gather of your ideas, would you just allow the unruly to do as they please?
As far as Psalms 137:9 goes, I guess that you know nothing of Old Testament history, nor did you read all of Psalms 137. It is talking about their time in captivity in Babylon. The killing of their children, if any did so, was a mercy for them to not have to endure the harshness of Baylonian captivity. These people, although they brought it on themselves, were in misery. Preventing their children from enduring it would be a good thing, to them. Kindly know a bit more of what you are talking about before asking such questions. You really do make yourself look foolish asking such questions.

Answer 3

You are referring to two, separate applications of Old Testament scriptures which were intended for the Jewish nation of Israel. These scriptures are not intended for New Testament or Covenant Christians who are subject to the Spiritual Covenant but for the Jews for civil law practices regarding the material or physical. Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 relates to civil law practices [justice] and Psalm 137:9 encompasses the mind-set of an invader plundering the land.

Answer 4

Many people are disillusioned by the low moral standards we see in the Bible. Yet it would be unfair to take someone to court in the twentieth century for laws yet to be revealed in the twenty-first century. In the same way, we must be aware of the progressive development of morals in the Bible.

The "Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation" (Vat. 11, Ch. 3.11) of the Catholic Church says that "all that the inspired, or sacred writers, affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to be confided to the sacred Scriptures." This is the Church's teaching on the matter after twenty centuries of Christian discernment.

Biblical inerrancy, then, is the Bible's privilege of never teaching error. Does this mean that every statement in the Bible is divine teaching? Of course not. The Bible does not always teach. There are many statements in its various books that are there for historical, geographical, poetic or other reasons. However, whenever a biblical author intends to teach us something, then the Holy Spirit intends that too. Everything that the Bible teaches is without error, but everything in the Bible is not meant as teaching. Each author was left free by the Lord to express himself according to the ideas of his own day. It is the revelation contained in the Scriptures that is important.

Peace!

Answer 5

Have you ever owned a Commentary? It would clear some things up for you if you did. Instead here you are relying upon many that do not have the expertise to tell you about those passages that you are pulling out of the Bible.

So if you always rely upon amatuers for your information, then you will get what you are asking for. Amatuer answers.

Why not counsult a trained Biblical Exegete?

Now I could reference my Bible and type out everything to you, but I have some ground to cover. I just wanted to leave you with that advice.

Answer 6

if you as a child grew up knowing to not obey your parents or great harm would come on you, would you not walk a very straight path in life, a good path?

just look in the mid east for a simple example. if you are caught as a thief, they take fingers or a hand to mark you for life to the community as a thief. see many 1 handed people in the middle east? no? why not? cause they know the consequence and they choose not to do the action, in turn, there are no theft problems and few have doors or locks.

and don't say .....but look at Iraq......its a mess cause we are there, look at Iraq prior and you will see the truth.

put that as law here......steal....anything, even a pack of gum and lose a finger, 2nd time caught lose a hand, 3rd time, lose 2nd hand. think anyone would steal?

laws are there for a reason, man is who has weakened down this law. and as a result, look at the lawlessness we have today going on in the entire world.

Answer 7

I like the biblical knowledge you show but disrespect your point. this is not Christianity it is Judaism. Christianity is based out of Judaism but Christ fulfilled the law that all may have grace and forgiveness. I'm not a Christian or anything else for that answer and if you realy are looking for answers about religion my email and IM are open. If you are just trying to poke holes in someone Else's faith you should go kill yourself for the betterment of mankind thank you for your time

Answer 8

Ummmm, hun..
You're quoting the Torah.
The Old Testament, is basically the Hebrew sacred texts.

The last book of the Old Testament was written 300 years before Christ was born. It isn't the books of Christ.
..and basically the reason, God sacraficed his son.

Answer 9

Well IDeuteronomy is the law. Honor thy mother and father are commanded. By violating this you deserve death.
However, if you read

The Parable of the Lost Son
11Jesus continued: "There was a man who had two sons. 12The younger one said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of the estate.' So he divided his property between them.
13"Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17"When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' 20So he got up and went to his father.
"But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21"The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.[a]'

22"But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.

25"Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27'Your brother has come,' he replied, 'and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.'

28"The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!'

31" 'My son,' the father said, 'you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' "

Footnotes:

Luke 15:21 Some early manuscripts son. Make me like one of your hired men

You see how God is a forgiver to those who repent and come to ask for his grace. Jesus died for sin by God's grace.



The Psalm is a song talking about the justice of God , it does not command men to go do it. It fortells of what will happen to the Babylonians. God provided justice against them not Israel.

God's ways are not ours, you must understand that He is perfectly merciful and just.