If humans became an endangered species, would "Pro-Choice" people make killing unborn human babies illegal?

Question

I'm asking this in relation to this other question:

Why is it illegal to destroy turtle eggs but legal to kill an unborn human baby?

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Most people are saying that it's illegal to destroy turtle eggs because they are an endangered species. These "Pro-Choice" people also believe that it's ok to kill the human baby because they think that the world has too many humans in it. I guess they don't have a problem with murder since it takes away from the human population. But that doesn't explain why they are here.

Answer 1

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion.
This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.
Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves.
Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense.
The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.
"A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.
The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy.
Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority.
These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin.
Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law.
When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined....
As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual....
It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence."

2275 "One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival."
"It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material."
"Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities.
Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity" which are unique and unrepeatable.

Answer 2

By definition a group of cells (the first tri-mester, where the majority of abortions take place), that can't feel pain, is not a baby.

A woman, or a couple in many cases, who made a big mistake (most women have no more than one abortion), forced to put her body through the physical and emotional strains of labor before she is ready, now that can ruin a life..

Though it is not always a mistake: birth-control fails, women are raped, should we set up a court to judge if a woman has a good enough reason to make the very hard decision to have an abortion? Convince a panel of jurors?

The thing I find funny is that those against abortion are usually against sexual education. Quite a funny relationship there.

We do, however, have many of our children growing up in below poverty level, often abusive conditions, raised by people should have never been allowed to have children. Strange how we don't see more efforts going into helping these children. Don't worry about these children gotta give that 10% to the church.

Answer 3

It's not about killing babies....it's about a person's right to make a choice. I'm pro-choice, but not because I believe there are too many humans. Part of the reason we have to protect turtle eggs is because we have destroyed their habitat (and further endanger them by driving vehicles on the beach.)

We must protect other species because all are part of an interconnected web. If we break one strand, it is possible the whole thing will unravel.

Answer 4

If you object to abortion on religious grounds perhaps you're not aware that the Bible teaches that a child is not considered alive until it has drawn its first breath.

Choice has to always remain with the individual... circumstances may change which alter the eventual decision each person makes but the fact remains that each person has the right to make their own choice, including whether they terminate an unwanted pregnancy - a pregnancy which is NOT a human but merely a potential human and in that respect no different to every wasted sperm and every unfertilised egg.

One of the greatest advertisements for abortion are the anti-abortionists... if only their mothers had considered more carefully the full consequences of what they were inflicting on the rest of us.

Answer 5

In your previous question you are not taking into account that the turtle mother wants her eggs to hatch, and that the eggs are not in her body.
In this argument the woman does not. Big difference.

I have a question for you. If men had to push a baby the size of a lemon out of their penises, would there ever be a discussion about the legality of abortion?

What I don't think you understand is that having a baby is medically risky for a woman. I for example just about died in my pregnancy with my second child. It is in my body, if your God has such a problem with abortion he should have made babies born another way.

Answer 6

no sweetie, it will still be pro-choice all the way. It's amazing how society thinks it is ok for a woman to sacrifice her life for a child and overwhelmingly accepted that a child should not hinder a man, amazing. Look at britney spears and K-fed for example, during their marriage he partied like crazy despite the fact that he had a pregnant wife and a young child at home, and it was ok but once britney decides to party, there is talk everywhere of her loosing custody. Lord, it's crazy for XX chromosomes in this world. But, that is why i love prochoice because when it comes right down to it, amid the prolife protests and all, after a woman delivers a child, she gets the full responsibility of raising a child she had 50% responsibility of creating.

Answer 7

It's called a foetus, not a baby. Compare a foetus with a baby and you will see the difference. Compare the size of the brain too. It's about 1/16 the size of a newborn babies- so it is hardly aware or consciously thinks, let alone having the capacity to learn anything as it is. It isn't capable of anything which we as humans do- they can't even cry.

Answer 8

If people were endangered, I imagine there'd be much more support in place for unplanned babies (and no stigma about it), so there would not be the desperation there is now that drives most abortions.

Answer 9

The human population of the world is increasing at an alarming rate... and you bring up a question of us becoming an endangered species?

Answer 10

If humans were endangered. Buddy that's not going to happen unless we have a nuclear war. These hypothetical questions do nothing to change peoples minds. Plus humans are part of the reason why many animals are going extinct, therefore it is up to us to help them.