We have all heard about heaven and how the devil was cast out. What I don't understand is why did God give his angels free will. Free will is what started sin and pride is suppose to be a sin. Why was it that one of God's angels could feel pride. Also, there was a war in heaven. Did angels die? If so where do they go? They are already in heaven. What about where the devil and his followers? Where did they go. Had the universe been created yet? Had Earth been created? If we where made in God's image and a war happened in heaven, why do we expect anything different here? If anything that would prove that we are normal.
No insults please, I need some insite. TY
2007-03-23 10:50:39 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Lucifer was The angel of Light (God's chief electrical engineer)---and he "aspired" to become like God--another "chief entity" as it were---and talked with others and conspired to mutiny against the authority of God !!
Angels are "galactic creatures" and have no chemical base from which comes death and decomposition---they can however be controled by certain galactic forces which God Himself maintains !!
There was no "heavenly" battle (this is a story or scripted viewpoint OF the fall of Lucifer by a well know writer) --- In real terms the only "confrontation" in this "war" was God confronting the would be "deserters" and "relieving them" of their posts within the ranks OF the Heavenly Hosts ---and setting them to "incarceration" upon the planet that WE inhabit and confining them TO earth (the object of Lucifer's aspirations)----So, in a sense--God gave Lucifer what he had wanted---earth--- but took from him---everything else---his freedoms of galactic movement and his chances at individual conquests elsewhere !!!
So, yes, the universe and earth both existed at this time !!!
And, as far as the why to all of this--- one would have to know the mind of God---and that just isn't ever going to happen --- for the creation to know even the beginings of explaination of the creator is outside the scope of reasonings --- it would be like a single brush stroke of an oil painting being able to give detailed insight into the painter !!! Simply impossible !!!
2007-03-23 11:23:55 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Wow, you have alot of questions which need more time to explain. But God gave His angels free will because robotic servitude does not reflect His glory. Every being which God created started off holy, pure, and innocent with free will because "force" is not part of God's character. The Lord does not force His character on us, but leaves it up to choice. You also asked how could one of God's angels feel pride. You have to understand it is no different with a person and there child. Your child is young, pure, and innocent but you tell him not to touch a hot stove. However, if he keeps on entertaining the idea, eventually he will do it. Once the devil began to experience pride there was no way he could hang around God. Because the natural nature of sin is to flee from holiness, just like Adam and Eve hid in the garden from God. Also, angels do not die. Spirit never dies. But the devil and his followers were cast down to earth. Some angels were place in dungeons according to 1 or 2 Peter until judgement. The earth is a lot older than people know. In fact, there is evidence that there was a race of being on the earth before Adam and Eve. So when the devil was cast down to earth during that time, it caused chaos in the earth according to Gen 2. Lastly, God has already promised that things will be different in the next life to come according to the scriptures in Revelations. That's why we have expectation towards greater things in the future. It would take more detailed time to explain all of your questions.
2007-03-23 11:13:49 · answer #2 · answered by super saiyan 3 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
first of whenever a person dies they dont go to heaven. if you want more info on that then contact me.... !!! NO PROB.
God created the conditions where free will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).
But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.
An analogy can be found in the relationship between a parent and a child. A parent can create the condition that makes disobedience possible yet the parent remains innocent if the child sins. For example, if a parent tells his child to clean up his room and the child does not, he has rebelled. But, the parent is not responsible for the child’s sin, nor did he cause the child to sin. The child had a choice to obey or not to obey.
2007-03-23 10:59:05 · answer #3 · answered by Royce W 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No one really knows because the bible dosen't speak to much on this subject. All I know is One third of the angels got cast out of heaven, because the decieded to follow satan. I don't really know why God gave angels free will, if that is even what it is. But one day the Devil will suffer forever and ever according to the Bible. There really is no diffrence here on earth, because the world is the devils. Thats why there is so much suffering. God just wants you to make a choice to follow him or not.
2007-03-23 10:57:04 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Heaven is here on Earth.. The muslims believe that the planet Earth is Heaven..Angels do not always have free will.. they are to do Gods will and if they don't then they are cast down.. the wages of sin are death to the soul and spirit....There is a God..Angels can be happy and maybe have "pride" in their work..good works.. It depends on your preception of pride.. which can be used in the wrong manner I suppose.. To do something well and be recognised for good works.. is good for esteem of self..we have to love ourselves as God loves us. Take pride in your works..just make sure your heart is in the right place.
2007-03-23 11:01:21 · answer #5 · answered by audine 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
First God gave angels free will because real love can not be forced it must be given willingly, in Isa 14:12-15 talks about the nature of satan, it is indeed a "i" problem, in Isa. 53 it talks about the second member of The Godhead Jesus Christ angels the ones that were cast out will be destroyed at the end of this world but God "SO" loved you that you should NOT perish if you meet the conditions upon which life forever is offered, find out more free bible lessons www.amazingfacts.org OR www.itiswritten.com talk to me also wgr88@yahoo.com God bless
2007-03-23 10:56:44 · answer #6 · answered by wgr88 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes there was a war in Heaven. But God knew all of this and still created angels and He still created us because of His great love for us.
2007-03-23 11:04:12 · answer #7 · answered by Jan P 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Because God didn't want robots. He wanted people and angels to freely choose to love and follow Him. Yes, there was war in Heaven. Satan persuaded 1/3 of the angels of Heaven to mutiny against God, and they all got kicked out of Heaven. They did not die; they came to the Earth, where they've been wreaking havoc ever since, tempting humans to commit sins. The only angels in Heaven today are those who love and follow God.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
Rev 12:7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Isa 14:12 ¶ How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Satan used to be called Lucifer, and he was a beautiful angel with a very high ranking, until he let the pride of his position go to his head.
2007-03-23 11:04:24 · answer #8 · answered by FUNdie 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
And it came to pass that Adam, being tempted of the devil—for, behold, the devil was before Adam, for he rebelled against me, saying, Give me thine honor, which is my power; and also a third part of the ghosts of heaven turned he away from me because of their agency;
The "me" in this scripture refers to Heavenly Father & the third of the angels were cast out of heaven, down to earth.
2007-03-23 11:12:28 · answer #9 · answered by Luv&Rockets 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The perfect love comes with choice.
If your would be able to create a perfect husband for yourself. To say all the right things, look exactly you want him to look. How long you would feel good when he would say to you all the programmed things you want him to say like " I love you".
God loves us, and He wants us to love Him back. That is why He gave us our free will. Love is a choice.
2007-03-23 10:56:19 · answer #10 · answered by SeeTheLight 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋