Why do christians use a silly argument of can a watch/car evolve at random to put down evolution?

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Why do chrisitins use a silly argument of can a watch/car evolve at random to put down evolution?


Are watches organic matter ? no


If you keep walking on rough ground your feet adapt as you are organic... thats how evolution works.


If you rub a watch on the ground it does not adapt as not alive.

Its interacting with other life and the world that species evolve... And take time, a very long time to do so.

The closest to this is how economies evolve without help in a macro sence.


ie with competition you get improvemtns... only in this case of species its not planned in any way.



So a birds eyes did not simply develop at random like you thik evolution works.


It was over time eyes developed as birds strained eyesight to see prey and the birds with the best eyesight did best, got the most mates and survived long enough to get offsping.


Thats how it works.

It does not have to be tough.


It can be the cuter the cats the more they get bred

Reg brain...

if you do 1 improvemtn a year big deal.


After several million years...

Complex brain.

Hoever now evolution appears to be going backwards ie less brain more aptiude to violence ie gangs respect types.

If that continues we will be like chimps again but thats what is seen as successful with girls liking strong bad boys.

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Show me one species that has evolved within the last 500 years. The last 1000 years.

That should be long enough to see some sort of evolution - if it indeed happened.


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No you need longer then that...


However look at pets to see which ones do better ie cute and fluffy interacting with humans.

Likewise domestic animals are changing.


What about the flu virus

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Show me one species that has evolved within the last 500 years. The last 1000 years.

That should be long enough to see some sort of evolution - if it indeed happened.


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No you need longer then that...


However look at pets to see which ones do better ie cute and fluffy interacting with humans.

Likewise domestic animals are changing.


What about the flu virus

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Note to the poster who thoguht a birds eye was perfect...

its not its continuing to evolve as are we.


its like you try two things, one works ditch what dont work... try again which works better ditch the weaker and so on and son on

Answer 1

they don't understand anything about physics, chemistry, or biology.

A watch in a box never will assemble because it cannot acquire energy from its environment, it's a dead thing. Unless there is a earthquake or so, the individual parts will never move, so how can they come together?
( If somebody argues that molecules are dead they disregard the effect of size. Molecules in a solution actually move constantly due to Brownian motion. Brownian motion is not strong enough to move watch parts. It is not by chance the most basic organisms are unicellular and very small)

Also they don't understand that natural selection is part of evolution. There is no selective pressure on the parts of the watch to assemble. The watch parts don't reproduce either. So even if somebody stands there and shakes the watch, there is no selection.

Anybody (christian or atheist) using this example basically reveals that they are pretty much clueless as far as any scientific knowledge is concerned.

PS. anybody so far behind the times to claim no new species have ever been observed to arise, please check out links

Answer 2

You make a good argument, yet your logic is still flawed. Though there have been adaptations, they're basically minor and only for the appropriate environments. Going from simple to the much more complex is not how the universe operates. You've heard of "entropy"? This is when energy and matter goes from a complicated high energy state to a more simpler stable state, not the other way. So the question is still asked.....did a God create life, or is all life a result of an accident? Let's try a hypothetical experiment:
Suppose you have a giant bowl. You throw in lumber, glass, wiring, concrete, etc. In other words, everything you would need to make a very nice house. You then shake and spin this bowl. You hit it with lightning, heat, cold, water, radiation, etc. You do this for many millions of years. Do you think you'll ever have a fully built house? Never. Now think of bacteria, which is much more complicated to create than a house. In the end you'll need "intelligent design" to create both the house, and the bacteria...as well as all life you see before you. Think about this.

Answer 3

The overriding factor, which tends to accompany the theory of Evolution is that the development and adaptation of organisms to their environment occurred over many hundreds of millions of years.
It's the ability of an organism with an advantage of genetic development to survive environmental conditions, that would eventually destroy other organisms without this development. This process was called 'survival of the fittest'
Some bacteria and viruses are classic examples of on-going survival stories, with new strains appearing that are immune to antibiotics. This phenomenon becoming apparent over years, not millions of years!

Interesting the example quoted of 'cute cats' being bred more often. This clearly demonstrates an artificial form of 'survival of the cutest', which, in a way, runs parallel with the evolutionary theories, but with human interference!

Without stepping into the quicksand of debate on the religious aspects of these arguments, I can only say that everyone has the right to their own beliefs. Perhaps what is taken in its literal biblical sense by some, can be accurately reinterpreted in a modern day sense in the 21st Century by others.

Mind you, the example of the steel back, quartz watch turning into a solid gold, automatic 'Oyster' chronograph in the back of a draw, sounds exciting!

Sadly, however, if I was to walk continually on rough ground, I would end up at Boots the chemist, I'm afraid!

Answer 4

Show me one species that has evolved within the last 500 years. The last 1000 years.

That should be long enough to see some sort of evolution - if it indeed happened.

The truth is we have no proof of evolution - and we don't see anything evolving today. We should - if that's really how the world was made. Or did evolution just stop - becuase things are as good as they are going to get?

The case of humans should be an argument against evolution in itself. Human's lost all their natural defenses if you follow evolution. Why would this happen? What advantage would there be for a species to lose all of their defenses in a world ready to eat them?

When people talk about evolution being random they do not mean that it just suddenly happens. What they mean is that the chance of a bird's eye developing to perfection from a one celled organism is more then impossible. Random. The chance of this earth happening by accident and then evolving is beyond true calculation. You have a better chance of winning the lottery every day for a year.

Answer 5

As/is,
Evolution is as reliable as shaking a bag full of watch parts to get the watch to become whole. The possibility of evolution actually working is about the same as the watch putting itself together in good working order as you shake the bag. Evolution can not work. Man was created by GOD and has been on this earth about 6000 years. There is no other theory that has any possibility of working on earth. I am sorry that you spent so much time on this material. It is a great waste of your time. Have a great day.
Thanks,
Eds, True Christian

Answer 6

> Why do christians use a silly argument of can a watch/car evolve at random to put down evolution?

They don't do that. Many Christians, probably the majority, are evolutionists, and those who are not, keep quiet about creation. God's method of creation is unimportant. Christians talk about Christ, and him crucified. That is all that matters to Christians, as far as non-Christians are concerned, as it is to themselves, ultimately.

People who oppose Christ try to give people an excuse to oppose Christianity by making up false arguments like this one. They also like to get people to believe that becoming a Christian is an intellectual process; but Christianity is a matter of human will, not primarily of intellect.

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Answer 7

most christians will answer with what they mean by this silly idea. It is all about the design of the object. Christians think that life has a design in the same way the watch has to be thought up before it is constructed. A lot of the best scientists and founders of modern science would also argue for this design element to life and would give a similar 'silly' example.

Answer 8

1st off, long question dude!. 2nd the fact that we were created makes sense but when, and over how long a period this happened, we don't know for sure. The Bible offers clues but these have to be interpreted by the reader. the word EVOLUTION is used to explain how things change to adapt to its surroundings and this does happen in nature but mankind can also change things to suit a given situation. I think evolution and creation share the same space we just have to sort out our own differences and let science and faith collaborate. Remember Galileo said that advances in science only deepened his faith in God!. Brave words from a scientist.

Answer 9

Actually cars, watches etc do evolve.

Starting with the horse drawn carriage, through the Model T, to the modern Porsche.

Cars went from very simple designs to the complex one we have today.

Answer 10

Somebody said it in the 1880s and they liked it, so they keep on repeating it, despite the fact that with every advance in evolutionary science it is proved more and more ridiculous. Creationists like bad analogies. Nothing you say can change that.

Not all Christians are Creationist, by the way.