Why do so many men like Glock pistols? I don't!?

Question

My brother-in-law has big and small ones. After testing his and asking him about them, I know I don't want to buy one. First, disassembly for cleaning one was a nightmare in the 1990's. My Heckler & Koch P9S is easy to disassemble. My Beretta 92F and SIG "P226" are close behind. My Browning "Hi-Power" is a few notches below them. My gal must help me with my CZ-75 on a bad day. I don't see that anyone can help with a Glock. This is poor design. Next, the plastic frame is too light and enhances recoil. The gun is shaped badly and doesn't point well. I've won quick draw contests with my customized Browning "Hi-Power", but I cannot with a Glock. That trigger-on-a-trigger annoys me. I much prefer the squeeze cocker on the H&K "P7". I wrote "12 Criteria For Choosing A Combat Pistol" and tested many of them. I refuse to use any pistol that scores "F" by one criterion, and the Glock fails several. The Glock's popularity likely shows the power of ads to mold beliefs...like Rolex watches.

I am for Best School whether it is old or new. I own many fine pisttols, so I see no point in trying to adapt to a new one that fails several of my "12 Criteria For Choosing A Combat Pistol" in the book of which I wrote 2 editions in 1992 and 1999. Several people have asked where to buy my book. It is sold out, but I found a dozen or so folio copies at Mom's whom I am visiting now 2750 miles from my home in SF. I am mailing out a couple today. If anyone wants one of the 5 remaining copies, tell me where to send them. I hope that if I have any more gunfights, I face my brother-in-law or another Glock lover. My H&K P9S is the most accurate semi-auto and easily outshoots the Glock. My Browning Hi-Power is great on quick draw. Tony would be shot before his Glock cleared his holster. If it is "old school" to prefer a fine gun to a poor one, that is fine wwith me.

Has the disassembly improved? 30 seconds is too much time to do it if one is in a fire fight. My H&K P9S permits much faster disassembly than that. I think of worst case scenarios, and I insist upon the best guns for it. Any way you look at it, the Glock is far down the list. My CZ75 is hard enough to clean, but it has redeeming qualities that make up for that, while the Glock does not. Still I carry another pistol that is easier to clean than the CZ75 if I have another feud with the Wah Cheng. I have an extra navel from one of their bullets. I do not need a 3rd one.

Answer 1

YES-YES-YES!
You are absoluetly correct.
Your assesment matches my own 100%

If I were to add anything to it, I would call attention to the low, low, hit probability as evidenced by the way police use them as "bullet hose" guns. On occasion after occasion I've seen police on the news empty magazines at 30' distances and only hit the suspect once, if at all. That means that 15 or more deadly rounds went flying unaimed towards god-knows-who-or-what. That's irresponsible. An excellent example of this in the news is the New York police on trial for shooting an unarmed man at his bachelor party. One of the policemen fired 51 rounds if I'm not mistaken. At close range. As fast as he could, I'm sure. Without aiming, I'm willing to bet.
It's a wonder he didn't kill bystanders blocks away.
Large capacity magazines + light glock trigger pull + improper firearms discipline = tragedy.

I'll take my 1911 or my Model 19 Smith, thank you.

Answer 2

I owned the Glock 17, 21, and 22 at different times. The problem is not disassembly (that is easy as hell!). The problem is that they use a "slippery" pivoting trigger with an extremely fast reset. The Glock was designed as a rapid fire weapons system. It takes a lot of training and discipline to get the safe-action trigger system not to burn your fingerpad. The idea is not to let the trigger go back past the "click" on reset. The problem is that you end of fighting the trigger on reset in order to do that. Meanwhile, on a hot day at the range you find that your finger pad on the trigger travels because of sweat. S&W did a much better job with the trigger on the Sigma. A hybrid Glock/Sigma would be ideal. Personally, I think that most police are way "over-armed" in most suburbs in the USA. In big cities or urban areas it make sense, but the fashion has been high-cap thanks to media horror stories and ridiculous "possible scenarios". Good police work is more important than the newest 14-17 shot automatic wonderpistol. When I was a little boy (early to mid seventies) nothing spoke authority like the S&W Magna grip hanging out of a duty holster. The good old days.

Answer 3

Glocks came along when many law enforcement agencies were transitioning from revolvers to auto pistols. The simplicity of the Glock in terms of operation made for an easier transition with less training for those agencies moving from revolvers to auto loaders. The fact that law enforcement embraced the Glock has a lot to do with its popularity.

Next, Glocks are almost indestructible. You can't afford to shoot enough to wear one out.

Glocks are ergonomically designed and for many people they point very naturally. Not for me however but for most people.

I myself am not a big fan of the Glock simply because I AM a big fan of the 1911 format pistol. The shape and angle of the grip works much better for me and no other type of pistol I've ever shot could match a good single action trigger found on the 1911.

Glocks, in my opinion ARE good guns, but they are more the enthusiast shooter. Most serious defensive pistol shooters look to the 1911. Just check out the instructors at any nationally recognized defensive pistol training facility. The vast bulk of the carry a 1911 of some type. And with good reason.

Answer 4

I am not an expert by any means, but my wife and I both have a Glock and I like them. I don't know what you are doing when disassembling them. I can have both my wife's and mine broke down in under 30 seconds. Yes, I have been timed. It was a bet with my smart-a$$ little brother. As for the plastic frame I was a little hesitant about it at first. I was concerned about the durability and weight. Kind of felt like a toy. After carrying mine for 4 years I don't worry about durability anymore and the light weight actually works well for carrying. It is just my opinion, but as I stated, I like mine.

On a side note...you wrote a book on 12 Criteria for Choosing a Combat Pistol? Where can I find that? That may be an interesting read. Also, how about 12 criteria on a carry pistol? Any help there?

Answer 5

I to thought as you do about the glock, it was the whole plastic thing that I didnt like, or the trigger.
At the time my PD issued a S&W 4006 (40 cal).
We switched to the glock model 22 (40 cal) in the fall of 2000.
After going through the training program for the glock and seeing not only mine but the entire dept personel qualifactions scores go up and the ease of shooting and cleaning I have never looked back. Ive found the glock design to be time tested, durable and combat accurite to 100 yards.

This is a simple system to learn, shoot well and maintain.

Answer 6

The glock has to be one of the easiest guns there is to dissassemble. I really don't know what you are talking about in that. Pull the slide back pull the bar down pull the slide off. How hard is that? I guess a button that you push and the gun falls apart.

The glock used to be the lightest handgun there was. That is ONE reason cops bought them. If you are going to carry a gun for a long time it is going to get heavy and if you are packing alot of gear every ounce matters.

I have never had any trouble with the recoil of a glock.

The grip angle on the glock is more natural to more people. There is a bias for whatever you are used to but a new guy is more likely to find that the glock points better

The glock is a very dependable gun. In fact it set the new standard for dependability.

You don't like the "trigger in trigger design" well so what? I find ****** and locked to be dangerous. The safety is extremely effective the only way the gun is going to go off is if you press the trigger and when you press the trigger it is going to go off. That is how a gun is supposed to operate.

So you get a gun that is high capacity, lightweight, extremely dependable, easy to maintain and operate that is reasonably priced and reasonably accurate. And you wonder why it is popular? You can keep your criteria I will listen to someone who knows something.

I am just going to say it. Maybe I am wrong but I think you are a blowhard. If you really got shot that doesn't make you an expert in anything other than getting shot. Having quickdraw contests with your buddies doesn't make you an expert in anything. First off what is your name so we can see your ranking on quick draw contests or idpa or ipsc or steel challenge or we can look it up in one the sights that lists real operators. I know some of the guys who did some wet work in asia and south america during the eighties. Maybe they have heard of you.

I have seen too many people claim to be "experts" trying to make a buck by claiming to be mercenaries or operators only to be blowhards who at best washed dishes in the marine corp.

If I am wrong I really am sorry. I have talked to the real thing and I have talked to posers. Guess which one you sound like?

Answer 7

'proven massacre murder tool.' I'm pretty sure any gun is capable of that, not just the Glock. Anyway, Considering the way that the media reacts over these things people think that there's going to be a shooting every 5 minutes. My guess is it makes them feel safer owning a firearm.

Answer 8

Garrett, you KNOW why I like Glocks. I find them user friendly, they (especially the larger frame Model 20) fits my hand just right. They are extremely reliable. They are low-maintenance. They are accurate. They are high capacity. I find that the polymer frame absorbs a lot of the recoil. They are available State-side in .9mm through .10mm (that includes the .40 S&W, .357 Sig, .45 acp n .45 GAP).

Okay, so they ARE ugly, but that is NOT a bad thing. A crack-head I arrested said about my Model 20 .10mm, "That's the biggest, baddest, ugliest gun I have EVER seen!"

Of course, I love my Colt Pythons, and Berettes and Walthers and Rugers, and Smiths, and FN Herstal but my duty gun is the old Model 20 .10mm.

By the way, I finally got around to shooting that .458 we talked about. I LOVE it and will probably use it on everything, now.

Best.

H

Answer 9

If you are knowledgeable about Glocks at all, you will realize that from the very first ones to the present models, they disassemble the same way. I have never take more than about 15 seconds to disassemble [field strip] mine. I have never has a lick of trouble with its handling, or anything else about the Glock. If you feel more comfortable with something else, that is your choice, and that is fine.

Answer 10

I have 1 in the back of my cabnet i dont want to grab it by mistake if i need a gun in a hurry!!!!!!!
i will agree with you point for point my alltime choice is rugers red h. 41 p-mod.s 9mm
glock is just a bunch of drawing board hype
now ill stir up a little before i go a mod 1911 should have been discontinued in 1912 just cant understand why so many swear by it i swear at it rich history i guess but so does a slingshot that should do it