So God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from a place he created because we were "off the mark".?

Question

Is that what we are supposed to believe? Off the mark is so serious that we would supposedly go to hell?

Couldn't we just have asked for forgiveness because our aim was off a little? I mean, don't you still have to ask for forgiveness to be "saved"?

TTC, that is not what the Pentecostals say. At least Assembly of God.

Answer 1

The first human pair were created perfect,designed to live forever.They were placed in a beautiful garden paradise,and told to "be fruitful and fill the earth".
This was God's orginal plan for mankind(and still is).
Satan,however,enticed Adam and Eve to rebell and disobey God.As a result of their sin,they lost all that - they began to age and eventually died.As offspring of Adam and Eve we all have inherited sin and death as a result of that sin from our first human parents.
Jehovah allowed his only begotten Son,Christ Jesus to come to earth as a perfect human to offer that lifeblood as a ransom sacrifice to buy back what Adam had lost and free us from this enslavement to sin and death.That is why John 17:3 states:"This means everlasting life,their taking in knowledge of you,the only True God,and of the one whom you sent forth,Jesus Christ."
The Bible does not teach a fiery place of torment such as "hell".This is a pagan teaching.The Bible plainly states that when we die we go back to the ground from which we came.We remain in God's memory pending a resurrection.
The Bible teaches that only a limited number go to heaven.And these ones who number 144,000 take on the role of joint heirs with Christ in God's heavenly kingdom,becoming kings and priests over the earth.(Rev.14:1-3;Ps.37:9-11
,29;Pr.2:21;Acts24:15)
Jehovahs Witnesses offer free home bible studies.This may help you get a better undering of the Scriptures and help you realise what a wonderful caring God,Jehovah is.

Answer 2

we are eternal beings purely because of fact the God Himself. no longer something is created with the help of God. each element what we see right this moment is eternal. and you would be a fool in case you contemplate over, what grew to become into in the previous eternity. So the element is that we've been constantly there and with the help of an identical logic will constantly exist. can we be happy in our life ceaselessly is the question? in basic terms God has the potential to present day this boundless international in categories in specific situations. And He has the potential to extra healthful us into different bodies. while we get into human bodies, we've the needed contraptions in it to comprehend the God. Having consumer-friendly Him, we can't ask such questions!

Answer 3

The deal was that we took ourselves out of God's care by eating of the fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. With this knowledge of Good and Evil, we were able to consciously make decisions that we knew were wrong.

In the Old Testament, people were sacrificing animals and fighting holy wars to try to make up for their wrongs, but God decided that this was not the way. He offered His Son in sacrifice so we would no longer have to offer sacrifices.

We don't have to ask for forgiveness because God has already offered it to us. All we have to do is open our hearts to Him and accept His offer of forgiveness.

Answer 4

Well, you are close, but you are looking at it backward. The reality is that only those who are perfect can stand before a perfect God. None of us are perfect (missed the mark) but that is why we needed a Savior.

A good way to look at this is you deciding to adopt an orphan. You do the legal stuff and the child is no longer an orphan but your son or daughter. This is what Jesus did on the cross. Allowed us to become adopted into the family of God.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

Now, does your new child play in the mud and get dirty? Yes. That is what hoses and bath tubs are for. Is he/she still your child? Yes. Do they do things wrong and need discipline? Of course! Are they still your child? Yes.

It's not a matter of what we do right or what we do wrong. It's a legal matter of adoption into a family.

Answer 5

God sacrified Himself to provide a bridge back to Him. Not to save us from the place He created but to save us from ourselves. We still have to ask for forgiveness but we don't have to go through ritual cleansing for the forgiveness to be accepted. It's not about the earth but the heart of humans that get sidetracked by what they see and feel.

Answer 6

I think he did it on purpose so he could go to hell and save the souls that never knew him.

Answer 7

No, idon't believe that, ibelieve a perfect man sacrificed himself to God .then this man could save us frome hell if we follow his order.

Answer 8

Well, let me put it in a story: Death said "There's a lot of people sinning, and someone is going to pay for it. It's not free, you know". Then Jesus Christ said "This is the deal: I'm going to die on the cross and in exchange, if anyone die in my name, you can't take them". Death said "No deal". But Jesus said "You have not choice: When a person die in my name, God look at their holiness as if they was as sinless as me".

Answer 9

God needs to ask US for forgiveness

Answer 10

--NO ABSOLUTELY NOT!

--Jehovah is God , Jesus is the son of God.

--IN ORDER to give us a dramatic presentation of what Jehovah God requested of his Only beloved son(FIRST OF ALL CREATION--before anything, the one and only)

--How many direct heirs did Abraham have as the angel said he would?
--Who was son of Sarah and Abraham in which this applies:

(Genesis 15:4-5) 4 But, look! the word of Jehovah to him was in these words: “This man will not succeed you as heir, but one who will come out of your own inward parts will succeed you as heir.” 5 He now brought him outside and said: “Look up, please, to the heavens and count the stars, if you are possibly able to count them.” And he went on to say to him: “So your seed will become.”
--Isaac!

--How old was he when Abraham was to TRY to offer him up as a sacrifice? Did he resist? What did Jehovah God do once the dramatic scene was shot(as in a movie scene) And what MAJOR application does it have?

--Isaac was about 30!
-- No he did not resist his fathers preparation or tying him or placing him on the sacrificial alter!
--God stopped the dramatic scene so no accident could happen!--It did not need any re-enactment, no editing!
--THE APPLICATION is what God would ask Jesus to do for the redemption of mankind! Note the REFERENCE to the whole scenario:

(Galatians 4:21-24) . . .? 22 For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama; for these [women] mean two covenants, the one from Mount Si´nai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Ha´gar. . .

--THE MAIN CHARACTERS in this "symbolic drama" sacrificial drama are:

--Abraham--Who pictures Jehovah God!
--Isaac--Who pictures Christ Jesus.

--Did Abraham place himself on the alter, AND tie himself up as a transformed Isaac?---NO!
--Did Isaac as a transformed Abraham raise the knife to kill himself? NO!

--SO THEN we have 2 distinct characters , player, actors, thespians in the form of Abraham & Isaac--would we not think that clearly?

--WITH Jehovah God re-enacting himself as the Greater Abraham & Christ Jesus re-enacting himself as the Greater Isaac--we have a real to life ACTUAL drama, that is indeed the MOST important scene that was ever presented!

--WHEN Abraham as good as sacrificed his son as "the seed that would bless all mankind"(which really pictured Christ in his role as Messiah) IN WHAT did he have implicit trust that God could & would do to ensure a human heir to lead to Christ--THIS:

(Hebrews 11:17-19) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, as good as offered up Isaac, and the man that had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up [his] only-begotten [son], 18 although it had been said to him: “What will be called ‘your seed’ will be through Isaac.” 19 But he reckoned that God was able to raise him up even from the dead;(TO THE EARTH--for he could not continue to have children if he was to be raised in heaven--my comment) and from there he did receive him also in an illustrative way."

--WHO DID THE RESURRECTING?
--DID CHRIST transform himself while he was dead & BECOME Jehovah God and bring himself back to life?--LUDICROUS!

--AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ramifications of forgiveness with Christ Jesus being sacrificed , there are many loving, just & valid reasons for THIS ALL IMPORTANT ARRANGEMENT!

--IN MY OPINION the most important thing is to rid any FAITH-WEAKENING -pagan ideas such as the trinity & hellfire!
--IN ORDER to get the clear & full picture of the love of family arrangement that BOTH Jehovah & Christ have for us-- Jehovah-- The Almighty God & Father
--Christ Jesus' secondary role as "Eternal father"(in that his shed blood purchased back mankinds "opportunity" for everlasting life on earth--THUS as a father is a lifegiver--NOT as ALMIGHTY GOD)