Atheists please respond?, Christians please comment?

Question

Atheists, if you can believe that there is no God and that the World, with all it infinite beauty and sciences just happened...then my friends YOU HAVE MORE FAITH THEN US CHRISTIANS...
I propose the following to you, if you take a wrist watch with all its intricacies and you take out all the parts, needles screws etc. Then you go to the highest point you can imagine-like take a plane or even a spacecraft and from this point drop all the parts of the watch-would you believe that the watch could come together and be totally functional as if you had not taken it apart.

I don't think many is not anyone would say yes! So how can you say the word just came about???? Surely logic says there is a God.

For all the philosophers out there.See Pascal's Wager!! The great philosopher himself concluded that it makes logical sense to believe in God.

Answer 1

yeah, you got the point.

our so called science cant explain the real core.

it cant explain

even why I sometimes feel the gratitude for being alive and seeing this beautiful world.

why I feel pain seeing other living things die.

science can explain very little about universe and us,

in a poor way.

I v learned about evolution and cosmology.

To tell the truth I got more questions than answers.

I remember what one world class genetic scoentist said on television.

"I studied about human genetics for a long time , but the more I know , I COME TO REALIZE how so lttle we v known"

we must be humble, referring science we cant be arrogant.

Answer 2

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever took an astronomy class or for that matter any science class? I'm not even sure how to respond to such an absurd claim. A watch has nothing to do with organisms and celestial bodies. Do you know the improbability of you being born? Do you know how many people had to meet at the exact same second and feel the exact same way they did to eventually make you? Would you say that means you don't exist? The whole probability thing is completely absurd since it proves nothing.
And Pascal’s wager is ridiculous he acts as if one can just decide to believe in god. Then he does not question if other gods are actually the right one. And the same argument could be used for anything. How bout we go to Iraq and if it doesn’t work then oh well. But if it does work and they will accept us as liberators and it will be perfectly peachy.

Answer 3

But it's not functional, is it? There is a constant battle between species for resources, and we are rapidly destroying the world without any sort of fallback plan.

The human body only appears designed to someone who does not understand or does not wish to understand how evolution works. For instance, does it make sense that some nerves leave your head, enter your body, and return to your head without connecting to anything on the way? Does it make sense that the occular nerve is right in the middle of your field of vision and requires software trickery to remove from the final image? No. If there is a god, and he is an engineer, then he should be stripped of his qualification.

You've gone up a mountain and seen something you don't understand, and decided that it must have been made. In the same position a scientist would see something he didn't understand, and decide to make inroads to understanding it before making any conclusions.

So in answer to your question, there is no god.

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Later addition:

I had to respond to the 'one in a million chance' people above. You are basing the 'chances of creation' on the odds of life evolving to exactly this point with exactly these characteristics, when it could very easily have gone another way - apes are not the only creature that could have evolved to intelligence. The possibility space for advanced life is actually quite massive, once you get your head out of the sand. Evolution is a non-random process, selecting only characteristics that benefit, or are neutral to, the chances of survival. That is very much a non-random process and I'll thank you to think a little before posting that crap again.

Answer 4

I'm sorry, I am a Christian, but this is silly.

If we took a wristwatch and dropped it from a high height, all that would happen are the little pieces would float up. If you're going to use an analogy, try this one : If we took the wristwatch and shook it for several million years (what evolutionists say it took to create the world we live in), would those pieces fall together just right? Answer : there's maybe a one in a billion chance. Probably even less. Of course, with billions of planets and millions of years, why not?

But more importantly than all of this : why are you trying to bait people into an argument? When you post nonsense like this, you're giving us as Christians a bad name. Why should an atheist want to listen to you, if you're just using fuzzy logic to try and debunk their beliefs? When an atheist posts some nonsense about how there can be no God, and lists some sort of proof, you're going to ignore that proof as fake and just get mad that they're trying to corrupt somebody's mind. In this case, you're the one annoying people with nonsensical explanations.

Please, on behalf of us Christians, don't do this. We're supposed to represent love and kindness. We're supposed to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, and turn the other cheek. If you want to convert an Atheist, show them (through example) how to live a good life. Make them wonder why you can be happy when times are tough, and how you can keep your faith when all hope seems lost.

And to all you Atheists that needed a drink after this, I apologize on behalf of Christianity. I'll be joining you for that drink soon myself.

Answer 5

Im not an atheists but agnostic.... Im open to suggestions on any religion but your watch theory has so many flaws i cant be bothered to even start.... yawn.

And Wager said it was logical to believe as believing that God exists is always greater than the expected value resulting from non-belief.... it might have a fair point but as a usual philosopher he had no facts to back it up and just lots of theory which once again falls flat on its face as anyone of us could come up with theorys that have no facts to back them up.

Answer 6

The "Cosmic Watchmaker" and "Pascal's Wager" in one question?

This calls for flaming sambucas all around!


fyi: The great philosopher did not "conclude" that it makes logical sense to believe in God. When it was explained to him just how idiotically flawed his "wager" was, he did the honourable thing and admitted that he goofed--unlike the intellectually dishonest Christians who continually trot it out like a prize show dog at every opportunity.

Answer 7

See that silly arumnet with the watch.


Are watches organic matter ? no


if you keep walking on rough ground your feet adapt as you are organic... thats how evolution works.


it you rub a watch on the ground it does not adapt as not alive.

its interacting with other life and the world that species evolve... And take time, a very long time to do so.

The closest to this is how economies evolve without help in a macro sence.


ie with competition you get improvemtns... only in this case of species its not planned in any way.



So a birds eyes did not simply develop at random like you thik evolution works.


it was over time eyes developed as birds strained eyesight to see prey and the birds with the best eyesight did best, got the most mates and survived long enough to get offsping.


Thats how it works.

It does not have to be tough.


It can be the cuter the cats the more they get bred


It may be smaller animals did well as could climb trees in a flood, and mammels did well in an ice age.



Likewise logically why one god? why not a race of gods, did not your god evolve from other gods, who made the god, if said god exists why make life on one planet, where is he etc etc.

Answer 8

It didnt just happen-evolution made it happen!! If it didnt then you would not exist to ask such a childish question.Try reading some Darwin - you obviously have no concept of why we,or the world around you exists.Your "arguement" is wrong in so many ways that there is not enough room on this site for me to correct them.If you really believe in God,then good luck.Please dont use outdated arguements to try and prove it to anyone.It just makes you look stupid...

Answer 9

erm OK its possible to pull any watch clock ship aircraft and put it back together again and still have it working.....that's what engineers etc are for. that's why when something is broken you can pull it apart replace it and put it back together again ..... your question has no point to it the world is as you see it NOTHING SPECIAL there is nothing or very little that MAN HAVE NOT touched and changed nothing is natural any more to an extent . there is no logic or proof or any thing that there is a GOD its something that people want to believe so desperately BECAUSE they are scared, it plays on peoples fears its all about power and controlling people. cant people just for one minute and think could it POSSIBLE that all we have and all that is, is what we've got here? just trees sea and land sky, stars, nothing else. wouldn't that be scary? my belief is what you see, nature.

Answer 10

Speaking as a Christian, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to say that an atheist has faith. Faith in the Christian sense is not the belief in the proposition concerning the existence of God, etc. It is a relationship of trust between the believer and Christ. The atheist has absolutely nothing analogous to that. To claim so actually makes a mockery of genuine Christian faith. Moreover, speaking as a philosophy PhD student, there is no purely discursive argument that can convince someone in the truth of Christianity. People become Christians either based on some form of mystical experience or based on a leap of faith. Nobody ever became a Christian based on these and other ridiculous philosophical arguments. Also, if you look at what Pascal says he doesn't conclude that it is logical in a purely rational sense to believe in God, what he argues is that being a Christian will vastly improve your life here on earth in addition to the long-term reward of eternity. Pascal's wager has nothing to do with believing in God being logical and instead is an existential argument as to the quality of one's life if they do choose to have faith in God. Despite being a Christian, I think what you have said here is complete nonsense and if your faith in Christ depends on these arguments, it is a superficial faith at best. A genuine relationship with God grounded in faith does not need any discursive arguments to ground it. Indeed, to already begin to make such arguments in the first place is to miss the point of Christianity, which is meant to be an existential way of life, not the mere acceptance of a set of propositions.

Answer 11

It is not faith .... it is evidence.

For what you had proposal, it is illogical for it to come back together by itself. Secondly, if you tell me you fly on a plane and an expensive watch is created on your wrist and it will happen, then I will believe in a god ..... and I will fly more often, chances are the watch will cover my expenses on the plane.

The great philosopher concluded it makes logical sense because just like some christians said, there is nothing to lose, not because he has faith or god has been proven.