The lost tomb of Jesus???

Question

Why is it that when it comes to forensics in a murder case, the forensic evidence is IRON CLAD and that monster must be brought to justice; YET, when it comes to forensics in reference to the lost tomb of Jesus… the same right wing Christians say “Oh, that can’t be… my interpretation of the bible is 100% correct.” Finding the remains of Jesus doesn’t mean that he isn’t the son of God. Jesus being married and having children doesn’t mean that he isn’t our saviour.

I hear all of these Christians giving me a day by day account of when and where Jesus and his disciples were and how it is physically impossible for anything forensically proven to be true. All I know is nobody alive today was there to vouch for anything or to say if certain people were or were not buried in certain locations. Yet forensics transcends time. Do you have access to a time machine and have been back there to prove you are right.

You right wing Christians really need to get off of your high horse and accept the fact that Jesus’ remains might have been found.

I have read all the blogs and links relating to this subject. I can’t ignore the forensics and the statistical probabilities. Apparently, you can ignore it. If you want to live in your little bubble for the rest of your life, that is your prerogative. But you all really need to face the music.

When the most confounding evidence you can pour out is… “But the bible says… But the bible says…”

My question is this: Isn’t it remotely possible in your mind that his remains were found?

Answer 1

You are like a little child believing on movie stories, TV stories for the purpose of raising money. There is no truth about it my friend. It is a fiction or novel story by the author. You are making your self ignorant of things happening on earth or a newly mountain person who has just arrived to the City and very reluctant on everything in the City. Did you live formerly on the mountainous area of your country?
jtm

Answer 2

First off, finding the remains has been what people who want to debunk the Resurrection have tried to do. If you find the body or bones, then Jesus really didn't rise from the dead.

Did you honestly watch the show on the Discovery Channel? Because they found a set of male bones and female bones that were not directly related, they conclude that they have forensic evidence that it must be Jesus's remains. The difference between your examples? When I commit a murder and they find my hair (for what ever reason) at the scene, they can test the hair against? You got it the hair that is on my head and establish a positive identification. Where did they get Jesus’s DNA in order to establish a baseline sample?
The problem that I have with the claim is that the producers of the show throw the forensic claim out there (recklessly) so that people are purposefully deceived. I watched the show, but got more out of the Ted Koppel forum afterwards. You notice that Simcha Jacobovici dodges all the questions he was asked and would flip-flop on defending the wild claims made in the show. It is no wonder they hyped up the show and failed to let the Scholastic community (Secular or Religious) to weigh in on the subject. They knew, if they allowed the scholastic community to review their findings or the show it would be laughed at. But that is ok, this “find” has been around since the 1980’s and the BBC did a documentary on the topic in 1996. Yet Cameron and Jacobovici want you to believe that this is a new find and it will “blow the lid” off of religion. There was just way too much hype for me to stomach. I guess it worked though, because I watched the show. Oh well.

Answer 3

Some critique:

1. Ossuaries 'practice' were from 1 century BC to 2nd century AD. Book and film assumes everyone lived at the same time. This is more than likely a multi-generational tomb.

2. DNA evidence proves Mariamne and Jesus did not have the same mother. Which further supports the idea that this was a multi-generational tomb. No data shows they were married, only an assumption by the filmmakers.

3. Dr. Carney Matheson, the scientist from Lakehead University who did the DNA testing for the filmmakers, has pointed out publicly that his work was overhyped. "The only conclusions we made was that these two sets [from the "Yeshua" and "Mariamne" ossuaries] were not maternally related," he said. "To me it sounds like absolutely nothing." He added, "There is a statement in the film that has been taken out of context. While marriage is a possibility, other relationships like father and daughter, paternal cousins, sister-in-law or indeed two unrelated individuals are also possible."

4. No dating has been done on any of these ossuaries. Jesus could have been the grandfather of Mary, or Joseph could have been the husband of Mary. There is no proof that they were all immediately related (versus multi-generational).

5. The James ossuary was found in 1976 (photo exist and dated by FBI). Talpiot tomb was found in 1980. Scholars contacted the archaeologist that cataloged these ossuaries personally. His name is Joe Zias. "“…the 10th was plain and I put it out in the courtyard with all the rest of the plain ossuaries as was the standard procedure when one has little storage space available. Nothing was stolen nor missing and they were fully aware of this fact, just didn't fit in with their agenda.”
Conclusion: James ossuary is more than likely not part of the Talpiot tomb.

As a skeptic, I have a real problem with this documentary since it didn't go through academic review to see if the research was qualified.

Like Consumer Reports, peer review allows information to be verified. Thankfully scholars are reviewing the evidence now and putting it to the real test.

No longer is faith needed by an atheist or by a Christian -- right now an athiest has faith this documentary was done correctly or a Christian has faith this wasn't done correctly.

The new book I'm waiting on is found below (that you should get too to see if your beliefs are backed up by facts in this documentary).

Answer 4

What "forensic evidence" are you talking about? Did you think there was anyone at the crucifixion who had the foresight to prepare a slide so we could actually compare DNA 2000 years later?
Do you have any idea how many times the "tomb of Jesus" has been "found" over he years? It is in Japan, India, Egypt, France, and England, just to name a few.
I think that, if it were possible to produce Jesus tomb, the Jewish Sanhedrin would have done so when the "Jesus people" first started, back in Jerusalem, 2000 years ago, before Paul ever came along. They would never have sat still for some ridiculous story about His body having been "stolen". But then, if it were "stolen", what is it doing in that tomb? Let's at least try to make sense, here, please?
Forensics. LOL, please....don't make me laugh......

Answer 5

Business: Firstly, the evidence is not "iron clad" nor would the so-called evidence collected, pass the strict scrutinizing of Forensic science. There are many archaeologists who would dare differ with the supposed "evidence" surrounding the tomb of "Jesus Christ"for one. The historical record of the Romans,Jewish, and early church fathers collaborate to witness this period. God wasn't a fool to leave the validity of the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ - His burial and resurrection at question. On this hangs the hope of the world both, past and future. Nice try though - but let's see the scientific evidence on this - not someones wishful thinking !!!

Answer 6

No remains were found, only the empty box. There fore talk about forensic evidence is beside the point. And there is no definite evidence that the tomb is that of Jesus of the bible. Jesus was a common name back then.

Answer 7

If we thought they were found we wouldn't be Christians. That is the whole basis of everything, if Jesus didn't defeat death than he was a liar, because he said he would, and afterwards he said he did. So no, it's not even remotely possible that remains were found from a Bible based, Christian perspective.

Answer 8

Paul never mentioned the Tomb of Jesus.

Answer 9

I don't have a right wing or a left one either.
Perhaps I'll never have any.

The thing is this, you want to believe that there is a tomb that contains Jesus bones, you are free to do so.

I also am free to not believe that there is a tomb that has Jesus bones in it.

OLAY!

Answer 10

It goes against their beliefs. If Jesus is found then their bible is wrong. They are never wrong. Or so they say.