How can a person of science be an atheist?

Question

If humans today have the technology to create life from our DNA and clone animals, why can atheists not fathom an individual having this technology long before us and doing it in a similar, or even more sophisticated and complex manner? It's illegal, but a scientist could take my DNA and clone me to create life, so why should I believe human life couldnt have started this way too? And please dont say "cant pick and choose from the bible" because i know that the bible was written by man and contains contradictions, but that doesnt mean i am going to use it as toilet paper.

glitterkitty, you sure are a nasty little thing, aren't you? even when you misread the question and make a joke of yourself you still manage to insult me. thanks for showing your level of class.

ok, i apologize for trying to debate with atheists once again. never did i say god was an alien, blah blah blah. it was my mistake for even posting a question too complex for your small minds. i apologize, go back to watching cartoons

Answer 1

...how can you tell someone else what they should believe? It's none of your business anyway.

Answer 2

Cloning is not the same as "creating life." Cloning is more like taking a sprig of a plant, putting it in water and growing new roots: voila! A new plant. But that's not creating life. It's assexual reproduction.

If you had framed your argument suggesting that an advanced being - God, aliens, whatever - could fascilitate abiogenisis, you might have a better argument. personally, I suspect that is how it went down, but I really would never presume to tell anyone that I *know* that's what happened. I don't. All the available evidence supports that life came into existence through abiogenesis / evolutionary process, so I believe that. If the majority of mainstream scientists come to a different conclusion some day, I will revise my thinking.

Answer 3

A scientists picks up physical material, such as DNA, to perform these tasks. A scientist can show you where the DNA came from (human or animal, etc...) and that scientist can show you that where the DNA came from is, in fact, real - in a physical sense.

Now, prove God is real. You can't take God and put it in a petri dish and slide him under the microscope to see his DNA. "God" itself is an abstract concept... it can not be dealt with in the same manner scientists deal with the world around them.

Though, I understand where you are coming from... it's a lot easier to deal with the possibility of God in a more philosophical way than it is to hit it head on scientifically. As for the technology used... well, most religions claim everything was made out of nothing. A mere thought from a supreme being and Poof! there it is. I'm sure God doesn't have a microscope or any of the tools needed to do these things. This is where you get into trouble. You have to first prove, scientifically, that there is a God in order for it to be on the same level as cloning or other scientific fields. But, there's no way to do that... so for an Atheist, the "beginning" is an unknown that may be known later, but shouldn't be assumed without evidence to back it up.

Answer 4

First off stop removing this question before everyone can answer.

And second, Wha?????

You're saying some "thing" in a white coat spun a test tube around to create human beings? Well that would contradict all the previous species of humanity like homo erectus and the species preceeding us of which we have fossil records and bones.

Science has been dispelling bible myths for a long time. Science proved the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around. And cloning is not the same as creating a new species, there is too much evidence for a process for me to beleive it just "popped" into existence. There's nothing spiritual about it, a person of science doesn't NEED spirituality to explain what he sees, that's why atheists like it, it frees us to beleive what we want, and only have to worry about the evidence in front of us. There's no requirements of faith.

Answer 5

Sure, you could believe that human life started that way. You would of course be mistaken.

It has been proven that life's origins were completely natural.

As long ago as the late 50's and early 60's scientists proved that amino acids (the building blocks of protein) and nucleotides (a building block of DNA) could be produced in relatively simple experiments in which a reducing atmosphere was simulated.

No divine intervention was needed.

I wouldn't say you're picking-and-choosing from the Bible, so much as picking-and-choosing bits of science to suite your needs.

Edit: I tried to be civil with this answer, but seeing as you've brought up the issue of debating: I think I've said this before. You couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper packet.

Answer 6

Ok so what you're really saying is that God is an alien who evolved to a point where technology in his world far surpassed what we are capable of today? So if we keep making scientific advancements for 100's of years to come we will eventually be God? Did you even think about what you were writing?
"why can atheists not fathom an individual having this technology long before us" They were your words exactly, not mine. And don't belittle me by telling me to go watch cartoons. You posted the question, you got an answer. Job done.

Answer 7

Ok, you look to have burdened 2 discussions we've got plenty, the only regarding how technology contradicts many teachings of faith and the opposite regarding the capability to be ethical and not using a god. Your query is senseless. It turns out that you are implying that the whole lot in atheism and an atheist lifestyles comes from technology. I'll expect for the second that you are a Christian, even though it does not rather topic if you're for the reason that it is simply to make a factor. The Bible might be your consultant to lifestyles, correct? Your query is similar to me asking how the Bible teaches you to dossier your tax varieties. You'd item to my rejecting the Bible easily due to the fact it says not anything approximately W-four's. If you do not like that one, I would ask how the Bible improves your math expertise. This time, the subject additionally has to do with self-betterment.

Answer 8

Are you suggesting that the original humans that you think god created were clones? That's not what the bible says. Naughty naughty christian! Anyway, you can't clone DNA from nothing. There had to be something to clone it from. Do you know what the word "clone" means?

Added: Hey don't blame me if you asked a silly question. If you think I lack class, I'll take that as a compliment because I want to be nothing like you.

Answer 9

You said it I can admit that there may have been an INDIVIDUAL long before us that had technology, but not a GOD. I am sure that it could have been started in a similar fashion to cloning, but I know that there was no spirit in the sky who created us that way.

Answer 10

Your argument doesn't really make sense. I understand what you're saying, but cloning doesn't prove god. We clone animals from DNA that ALREADY existed. So while I'm sure your god could "clone" people, he would have needed someone to clone in the first place. So did he clone eve from adam? Well he couldn't have done that because she wasn't a clone. So was there someone before adam and eve?

Answer 11

I have no problem with your believing in a god who created via the mechanism of evolution with designed mutations rather than random mutations.

From a scientific point of view, however, this presents two problems.

First, there is the question of how god would do this. It would be easier to believe that an alien race with a physical on Earth could manipulate germ cells than to believe that a non-corporeal entity could somehow achieve a corporeal affect.

Second, there is always Occam's razor. A god is not necessary to explain evolution. The simplest explanation remains natural mutations and selections over billions of years.