Why don't you realize "God has always existed" still doesn't answer "where did God come from"?

Question

That's just evading the question.
What's with all the circular arguments?

If I asked "where did the tooth fairy come from" theists would probably find that easier to answer for some reason.

Answer 1

that there are things that happen that we just don't understand. No matter how wise a person is or however much his or her heart can discern "time and judgment," there are things we just can't make sense of, things that even the wisest among us can't fathom.

The good news, however, is that as Christians we can trust God even when things unfold that make no sense. This trust, though, doesn't happen automatically; we just don't wake up after a life of faithlessness and suddenly start trusting God. Instead, we learn to trust God by reading His Word, claiming His promises, and living by faith and obedience. If we do these things with a will surrendered to Him, we will learn to trust Him no matter what we face.

Answer 2

it is as simple as this (and this does not evade the question) when asked who are you Lord that I may know? God simply answers "I Am". It is a matter of belief by faith. Some things are not at this time for us to understand we would not be able to handle the expansiveness of God. Our carnal beings and the way we perceive is based mostly on site "prove it to me".
If you were born say in 1980 for example do you believe the United States military fought a war in Viet-Nam? Why? Were you there to witness it yourself? No, although with the advancements in technology we have at our disposal today you have seen pictures, documentaries, history books tell of the war. But all that could have been fabricated by computers today. So we believe it based on trusting what is seen? There are people who are alive today who were there absolutely and can testify to the fact the war happened, but why should you believe that unless you were there first hand? So why does the belief in creation, and saying "we believe God has always been there", seem so hard to understand? How is it evading the question? God has just always been there. God is the divine entity, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the creator of all things. How do we know the Holy Bible tells us so. Just as a history book tells of the adventures of coming to the Americas, the civil war, etc. unless you were there why do you believe it to be true? Unless there is a legitimate answer for that, then we must assume it is not just Christians who evade the question.

Answer 3

The Universe continuously current does not look legitimate, seeing that going by means of the legislation of technology it simply does not make experience. Everything ought to have a opening and an finish. But with God the foundations of technology don't observe to him. Furthermore the guideline of TIME does not even observe to him. There isn't any opening or finish, he's there, continuously has been, and continuously will probably be. He lives external of the notion of time, he is God, so he can do this. That's from a Christian factor of view. Sincerely was hoping that helped, and if I was once impolite in any methods sorry, it was once extra to be to the factor than impolite :)

Answer 4

You are referring to this yahoo question:

"If something can't come from nothing, and you assume God exists, where did God come from?"

This is a logical question. The obvious answer can ONLY be "God has always existed." The question "Where did God come from" is moot. It's in logical contradiction to the other two statements.

1 =/= 0 (something can't come from nothing)
God = 1 (God exists)
God =/= 0 (God can't come from nothing.)

If nothing (else) existed at one time, then God was the only thing that did exist.

in order for YOU to have an argument, you must establish that there was a period of time in which nothing existed. But you cannot do that since you have already stated that something can not come from nothing, and something exists now. So some thing must have ALWAYS existed. That "thing" was God.

Don't you just love logic?

(Dangit, I'm the last answerer AGAIN!)
Oh, would it be too much to ask that you choose as your best answer something that actually answers your question. Don't just pick something simply because it tells you what you want to hear.

Answer 5

So, what argument have you seen where that is the conclusion?

Somethings are logically necessary. Their non-existence cannot be imagined. For example, there is no general solution to the general quintic (ax^5 + bx^4 + cx^3 + dx^2 + ex + f =0). This is a logical necessity, even God, should God exist, cannot wave it away.

So, some have thought that God is a logical necessity, that God follows as the necessary conclusion to some argument. If that were the case then asking "Where is God come from?" makes no sense. It would be like asking "well, when will someone invent a math where the general quintic is solvable."

HTH

Charles

Answer 6

Let's see. If I follow your logic, you are saying that something that is eternal, that has no beginning must have a beginning. Now that doesn't quite sound logical to me. Let's view the alternative. God has a beginning, or He would have to to say that He came from someplace. So if God had a beginning and came from someplace, then where did that place come from? And where did that place where that place came from come from?

You see, here is the problem, either matter came from absolutely nothing or matter is eternal or matter was created. So, let me return the question to you. Where did matter come from, since you do not believe in an eternal God? Now you have to produce a circular argument because you have no answer, and your answer (it is eternal) is more illogical than saying God cannot be eternal. Ask Einstein, if you don't believe me. Or Aristotle who argued for the Uncaused Cause.

Answer 7

No human on earth can answer that question satisfactorily.
Until some other discovery is made I'm happy to believe God lives in a place called Singularity. According to scientists this is a place where the laws of physics don't apply.
In other words there is no time or space there, and if that is true then God has always existed.

Answer 8

This is the same logical flaw in using God to explain existence itself. The theist often asks, “If you don’t believe in God, then how do you explain the existence of the universe?” This question assumes that existence must be caused, and since the universe clearly exists, it too must be caused. The theist then concludes that God must be that cause. Now, presumably the theist supposes that God, like the universe, also exists, in which case the theist is right back to violating his own assumptions: If God exists, and existence must be caused, then by the theist’s own assumption, God must be caused. By using God as an "explanation" the theist is doing nothing more than explaining existence (the universe's) with existence (God's). And just as before, this amounts to assuming what one is trying to explain.

Typically the theist’s reply to these criticisms is that God is the one exception: All complexity except God’s complexity must be explained, and all existence except God’s existence must be explained. But this is blatant special pleading. The theist is simply exempting himself from his own rules: "Your explanation must meet these conditions; however, my explanation (God) does not." Of course, anyone can play this game. Once could just as easily (and with considerably more parsimony) say all things except the universe as a whole require an explanation.

Answer 9

First, let me say that I have no religious agenda here. However, I think the answer that God transcends time and space is as reasonable as the idea of time and space existing in the first place. We are very limited as human beings by our own way of experiencing existence, with a beginning,middle and end, and we tend to believe that everything works that way. Clearly. it doesn't, since there is always the "What happened before that?" question. The existence or non-existence of God doesn't really clear that up, and even given the answer, I doubt the human mind is capable of truly grasping it.

Answer 10

"Why do YOU think that God had to come from somewhere? Can you not open your mind enough to think that He always was?" - that is exactly the kind of answer that I always get. But why can't believers in God "open up their minds enough" to imagine that the universe always existed? What's the difference? In any way, there was one thing that always existed. And I really don;'t think that it's fair that first christians claim that it;s impossible that the universe always existed and in the next second they say that a God did exactly that.Don't you get it? there is NO difference between believing that God existed all the time and believing that the universe existed all the time. if atheists are stupid because they can honestly imagine that the universe existed forever, than christians are just as stupid because they imagine that god has lived forever. emphasizing the '"if". I don't think that either one is stupid. just to make that clear.

Answer 11

I asked my parents that very question when I was 3 years old. They couldn't answer me. So I was never happy..and still truthfully am not. I don't think there is really any way we could know. Maybe meditate and talk to someone on the other side..they have to tell us something a little more satisfying than "always there". But all I can say is..one day we will know, whether it be in this life..or in the after.
I hope that helped...